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Old 06-06-2009, 08:19 AM
 
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I think the President hit it out of the park. No one with any sense can say that he did not address the concerns of the Muslim world with candor and a refershing level of (for an American president) nuance.

At the same time, he underlined Amerca's support for Israel and, more importantly, the rationale for that support. It was masterful of Mr. Obaamna to firmly call on Israel to halt the settlement expansion prior to the Cairo speech.

By emphasizing our commonalities, which exist on both the individual and community level, Mr. Obama said all that is possible for an American President to say to a population which is suspicious of American motives and held back by centuries of isolation and pervasive religious fundamentalism.

It was amusing to witness the carping by Muslim critics of the President on PBS last night. One was quite contemptuous of Mr. Obama for his ostensible support of the oppressive regimes of Saudi Arabia and Egypt. The thought occurred to me that that critic would be hard-pressed to identify an Islmaic regime which is NOT oppressive and authoritarian. Mr. Obama picked two Muslim countries in the Middle East which for better or worse are the best allies we have. Rejecting their hospitality would have been both rude and counterproductive.

Personally, I think Mr. Obama was overly judicious in his critique of modern Islamic thought, restricting his negative remarks to references to such obvious things as terrorism and the unequal teatment of women.

All in all, Mr. Obama prepared for and delivered a masterful tour d'horizon. It is up to the Muslim world to take the next step and respond positively to this opening. They may not get another chance with this administration.

A final note: from Cairo and quotations from the Quran to Buchenwald and the laying of a wreath for the shoah vicitms with Elie Wiesel: Mr. Obama may be many things, but ignorant of symbolism he is not.

I for one am very impressed with this foray into statecraft by our young President.
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Old 06-06-2009, 08:20 AM
 
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I love pander...

"So long as our relationship is defined by our differences, we will empower those who sow hatred rather than peace, and who promote conflict rather than the cooperation that can help all of our people achieve justice and prosperity. This cycle of suspicion and discord must end."

" Just as Muslims do not fit a crude stereotype, America is not the crude stereotype of a self-interested empire. The United States has been one of the greatest sources of progress that the world has ever known. We were born out of revolution against an empire. We were founded upon the ideal that all are created equal, and we have shed blood and struggled for centuries to give meaning to those words - within our borders, and around the world. We are shaped by every culture, drawn from every end of the Earth, and dedicated to a simple concept: E pluribus unum: "Out of many, one.""

"When violent extremists operate in one stretch of mountains, people are endangered across an ocean. And when innocents in Bosnia and Darfur are slaughtered, that is a stain on our collective conscience. That is what it means to share this world in the 21st century. That is the responsibility we have to one another as human beings."

"For human history has often been a record of nations and tribes subjugating one another to serve their own interests. Yet in this new age, such attitudes are self-defeating."

"Over seven years ago, the United States pursued al Qaeda and the Taliban with broad international support. We did not go by choice, we went because of necessity. I am aware that some question or justify the events of 9/11. But let us be clear: al Qaeda killed nearly 3,000 people on that day. The victims were innocent men, women and children from America and many other nations who had done nothing to harm anybody. And yet Al Qaeda chose to ruthlessly murder these people, claimed credit for the attack, and even now states their determination to kill on a massive scale. They have affiliates in many countries and are trying to expand their reach. These are not opinions to be debated; these are facts to be dealt with."

" Indeed, none of us should tolerate these extremists. They have killed in many countries. They have killed people of different faiths - more than any other, they have killed Muslims. Their actions are irreconcilable with the rights of human beings, the progress of nations, and with Islam. "

"The sooner the extremists are isolated and unwelcome in Muslim communities, the sooner we will all be safer."

"America's strong bonds with Israel are well known. This bond is unbreakable. It is based upon cultural and historical ties, and the recognition that the aspiration for a Jewish homeland is rooted in a tragic history that cannot be denied."

"Six million Jews were killed - more than the entire Jewish population of Israel today. Denying that fact is baseless, ignorant, and hateful. Threatening Israel with destruction - or repeating vile stereotypes about Jews - is deeply wrong, and only serves to evoke in the minds of Israelis this most painful of memories while preventing the peace that the people of this region deserve."

"Palestinians must abandon violence. Resistance through violence and killing is wrong and does not succeed."

"Hamas does have support among some Palestinians, but they also have responsibilities. To play a role in fulfilling Palestinian aspirations, and to unify the Palestinian people, Hamas must put an end to violence, recognize past agreements, and recognize Israel's right to exist."

"The Arab-Israeli conflict should no longer be used to distract the people of Arab nations from other problems."

"This last point is important because there are some who advocate for democracy only when they are out of power; once in power," [he said this in Cairo, Cairo, Egypt, Cairo the Capital of Egypt. Hosni Mubarak's Cairo!]"


"Among some Muslims, there is a disturbing tendency to measure one's own faith by the rejection of another's. The richness of religious diversity must be upheld - whether it is for Maronites in Lebanon or the Copts in Egypt. And fault lines must be closed among Muslims as well, as the divisions between Sunni and Shia have led to tragic violence, particularly in Iraq."

" I do believe that a woman who is denied an education is denied equality. "
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Old 06-06-2009, 10:17 AM
 
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This was an interesting thought from June 3, and indicates the juggling involved in developing the Cairo speech:

Obama faces frustration, traps in Riyadh, Cairo - UPI.com
But whatever Obama says, there is a precedent from 20 years ago he needs to remember. In 1989 Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev, who had already been energetically implementing his perestroika and glasnost reforms at home for four years, visited China, which was still under the tough authoritarian control of Paramount Leader Deng Xiaoping. Gorbachev did not appear to want to deliberately destabilize the Chinese government, but he did so inadvertently anyway. His visit greatly boosted the demands for democracy in China that led to gigantic demonstrations of millions of people in Beijing's Tiananmen Square, provoking Deng's government to brutally crush them, killing hundreds of people.
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[So] the last thing Obama wants is to inadvertently set off widespread popular protests that could destabilize Mubarak's government. That would undermine his own leverage with other Arab nations, especially oil-producing Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States, far more dangerously than his failure to deliver fast on the peace process.
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Old 06-06-2009, 10:29 AM
 
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I think the President hit it out of the park. No one with any sense can say that he did not address the concerns of the Muslim world with candor and a refershing level of (for an American president) nuance.

At the same time, he underlined Amerca's support for Israel and, more importantly, the rationale for that support. It was masterful of Mr. Obaamna to firmly call on Israel to halt the settlement expansion prior to the Cairo speech.

By emphasizing our commonalities, which exist on both the individual and community level, Mr. Obama said all that is possible for an American President to say to a population which is suspicious of American motives and held back by centuries of isolation and pervasive religious fundamentalism.

It was amusing to witness the carping by Muslim critics of the President on PBS last night. One was quite contemptuous of Mr. Obama for his ostensible support of the oppressive regimes of Saudi Arabia and Egypt. The thought occurred to me that that critic would be hard-pressed to identify an Islmaic regime which is NOT oppressive and authoritarian. Mr. Obama picked two Muslim countries in the Middle East which for better or worse are the best allies we have. Rejecting their hospitality would have been both rude and counterproductive.

Personally, I think Mr. Obama was overly judicious in his critique of modern Islamic thought, restricting his negative remarks to references to such obvious things as terrorism and the unequal teatment of women.

All in all, Mr. Obama prepared for and delivered a masterful tour d'horizon. It is up to the Muslim world to take the next step and respond positively to this opening. They may not get another chance with this administration.

A final note: from Cairo and quotations from the Quran to Buchenwald and the laying of a wreath for the shoah vicitms with Elie Wiesel: Mr. Obama may be many things, but ignorant of symbolism he is not.

I for one am very impressed with this foray into statecraft by our young President.

Lord knows we disagree on most things but I have a pretty good understanding of language and the language of his speech was quite powerful and well measured, and aptly directed. I thought it not only gutsy and bold, but long over due.
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Old 06-06-2009, 11:20 AM
 
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YouTube - Krauthammer on Obama's Cairo speech

I love this analysis by Krauthammer.

Don't miss the end - a comparative analysis of the oppression of women between arab states and the US.
How about thinking for yourself? Maybe listening to the speech and coming to your own conclusions isn't such a bad thing afterall. What is YOUR analysis? What did YOU think of the speech? Not what FOX or any other news media wants you to think.

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Old 06-06-2009, 11:21 AM
 
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I did not vote for Mr. Obama and am unlikely to vote for him in the next election.
I have to admit that his speech in Cairo and his follow-up in Germany amazed me. He's got the right stuff in terms of foriegn policy. The President apparently did his job quite well in Normandy today. The last few lines of the article are especially moving:

www.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090606/ap (http://www.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090606/ap - broken link) _on_go_pr_wh/obama

The link may need some work to go hot.


Anyway ,the USA is lucky that he won his party's nomination.
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Old 06-06-2009, 11:37 AM
 
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Obama did an excellent job. He was balanced, said the right things the right way. Even Pat Buchanan was praising him! Two thumbs WAY up Mr. President!!
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Old 06-06-2009, 11:49 AM
 
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Anyway ,the USA is lucky that he won his party's nomination.


gbear -- your link, could you try linking again? Would like to read it
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Old 06-06-2009, 12:42 PM
 
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gbear -- your link, could you try linking again? Would like to read it
Let's try this:
www.yahoo.com

Run a for search for :
Obama hails 'sheer improbabilty' of D-Day

The article exists in several versions. Look for the name of Jim Norene , who is mentioned in the last few lines of the original version -- but near the middle in the expanded version.
Mr. Norene passed away in his sleep last night -- after visting a cemetery in Normandy -- 65 years after the his airborne unit went in.
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Old 06-06-2009, 12:47 PM
 
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Let's try this:
www.yahoo.com

Run a for search for :
Obama hails 'sheer improbabilty' of D-Day

The article exists in several versions. Look for the name of Jim Norene , who is mentioned in the last few lines of the original version -- but near the middle in the expanded version.
Mr. Norene passed away in his sleep last night -- after visting a cemetery in Normandy -- 65 years after the his airborne unit went in.
Aha! Here it is - thanks to your directions --

Obama hails `sheer improbability' of D-Day victory - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090606/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_31 - broken link)

Turns out I'd read this very article -- it is touching, especially about Mr. Norene, and very thorough. This must have been something:
A 21-gun salute lent an acrid smell to the air that grew grayer and chillier as the ceremony ended. Taps played. A 12-plane flyover of French, British and American jets boomed above.
Thanks again gbear
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