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Old 06-06-2009, 08:29 PM
 
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While it is just an editorial, this brings up some valid points on how hard it will be to save money in the healthcare system.


"Expanding insurance to cover the 46 million Americans who are uninsured would probably cost more than $100 billion a year - more than the federal government spends on education, training, employment and social services combined."

The myth of health reform's savings
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Old 06-06-2009, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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"Expanding insurance to cover the 46 million Americans who are uninsured
Please understand - approximately 18 to 20 million of that 46 million number are illegal immigrants to the United States. 18 to 20 million who are NOT Americans.
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Old 06-06-2009, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Single Payer is the way to go... Though I read earlier this morning whereas Sen. Kennedy has a draft that he has in circulation where the employer will be forced to provide coverage if not will be fined/penalized. For the poor, health care will be funded/provided with the use of subsidies if I read that article right?
Insurance law is normally done at the state level....that's where all the experience is at, although for the most part Iowa is the model many follow. The federal government does not have much experience in doing it....COBRA was the first time the feds got involved and that fairly simple and not a problem. The second time they got involved was HIPAA which many do not realize has been a big factor (if not the main one) in why premiums have sky-rocketed and guess who wrote that bill.....Kennedy/Kasebuam (spelling may be wrong). Now he's doing it again....get ready for another mess. You can't just write law on how you would like things to work without considering reality...that's the problem. No one even knows about HIPAA but, doctors, hospitals and insurance companies all told congress it would make the cost higher (they actually under estimated how much higher).
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Old 06-06-2009, 10:09 PM
 
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Please understand - approximately 18 to 20 million of that 46 million number are illegal immigrants to the United States. 18 to 20 million who are NOT Americans.
Do you have anything to back this up.
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Old 06-06-2009, 10:16 PM
 
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Insurance law is normally done at the state level....that's where all the experience is at, although for the most part Iowa is the model many follow. The federal government does not have much experience in doing it....COBRA was the first time the feds got involved and that fairly simple and not a problem. The second time they got involved was HIPAA which many do not realize has been a big factor (if not the main one) in why premiums have sky-rocketed and guess who wrote that bill.....Kennedy/Kasebuam (spelling may be wrong). Now he's doing it again....get ready for another mess. You can't just write law on how you would like things to work without considering reality...that's the problem. No one even knows about HIPAA but, doctors, hospitals and insurance companies all told congress it would make the cost higher (they actually under estimated how much higher).
Actually government is involved in health care with regulations...not just Hippa but through ERISA and I believe Medicare but not medicaid .
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Old 06-06-2009, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Do you have anything to back this up.
The Uninsured by Citizenship Status

The vast majority (79%) of the uninsured are citizens. However, a disproportionate percentage of the uninsured are non-citizens. While non-citizens are 7% of the population, they are 21% of the uninsured. Non-citizens are a disproportionate percentage of the uninsured because they are more likely to have characteristics associated with higher uninsured rates.

Overview of the Uninsured in the United States: An analysis of the 2005 Current Population Survey: Issue Brief
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Old 06-06-2009, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Good questions. I believe you are talking about Medicare though. Medicare is for people over 65. Medicaid subsidizes assistance for low income. You are right about the problem there is going to be a whole lot of people on medicare pretty soon. We better get a handle on it now. No one is addressing it. It is just like the recession...no one will admit it was going to happen until it finally happened.
No one is obligated to use Medicare.

Not everyone 65 and older use Medicare.

Not everyone 65 and older qualify for Medicare.
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Old 06-06-2009, 10:40 PM
 
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The Uninsured by Citizenship Status

The vast majority (79%) of the uninsured are citizens. However, a disproportionate percentage of the uninsured are non-citizens. While non-citizens are 7% of the population, they are 21% of the uninsured. Non-citizens are a disproportionate percentage of the uninsured because they are more likely to have characteristics associated with higher uninsured rates.

Overview of the Uninsured in the United States: An analysis of the 2005 Current Population Survey: Issue Brief
I see what you are talking about. Non-citizen does not mean illegal alien. You can be a legal resident alien without being an illegal or a citizen, which I presume that is what they are talking about here. I doubt that the illegals told the census takers that they were illegal.

You just confused the two. Understandable.
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Old 06-06-2009, 10:59 PM
 
Location: AL
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Why is it so hard for most people to imagine that Obama and friends are PURPOSELY trying to make this country 1 big welfare state.
I mean how can anyone come to any other conclusion?
You know its really a simple idea in there screwed up heads...a liberal/socialist utopia.

If everyone is dependent on the govt. for everything...then the same people (liberal/dem) stay in power forever.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not"

Thomas Jefferson..

What makes us think we are smarter then our fore-fathers!

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Old 06-07-2009, 02:15 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Actually government is involved in health care with regulations...not just Hippa but through ERISA and I believe Medicare but not medicaid .
HIPAA and COBRA involve health insurance and they are amendments to ERISA. Medicare is federal and Medicaid is state but, that's not health insurance law or regulations (as you put it)...they just bid it out to an insurance company to administer it....their federal and state programs.
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