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View Poll Results: Do you consider George Tiller to be a hero?
Yes 20 28.99%
No 49 71.01%
Voters: 69. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-06-2009, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Originally Posted by Who?Me?! View Post
Question for the anti-choice people:

Are you glad Dr. Tiller's mother didn't abort him?
Yes--i am glad she didnt. It was the F'ed up liberal establishment that turned him into a baby murderer, not his mother.

 
Old 06-06-2009, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Question for the anti-choice people:

Are you glad Dr. Tiller's mother didn't abort him?
Yes, he had every right to choose his eternal destination. Unlike those that he chose for them.
 
Old 06-06-2009, 09:26 PM
 
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Yes, he had every right to choose his eternal destination. Unlike those that he chose for them.
So you're glad he was alive to perform abortions.
 
Old 06-06-2009, 09:27 PM
 
Location: New York, New York
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Question for the anti-choice people:

Are you glad Dr. Tiller's mother didn't abort him?
Of course they are..A life is only valuable before it's born.
 
Old 06-06-2009, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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So you're glad he was alive to perform abortions.
I'm glad he had the freedom to choose his eternity.

This is a school, we are graded on our performance. He sadly failed.

The point is, he had the freedom to choose, unlike those he killed.
 
Old 06-06-2009, 09:37 PM
 
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I'm glad he had the freedom to choose his eternity.

This is a school, we are graded on our performance. He sadly failed.

The point is, he had the freedom to choose, unlike those he killed.
"""This is a school, we are graded on our performance. He sadly failed."""


Wha..???tf?


Good mushroom crop this year....
 
Old 06-06-2009, 09:48 PM
 
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Because Tiller, in spite of the violence that had already been perpetrated upon him and in spite of the constant threats of violence, continued to offer his completely legal medical services to women who were in need of his help, I say yes: Tiller was a hero.
Those in the drug trade are killed all the time but the money is so good they still risk it.


Tiller, $5,000 a pop times 60,000 doesn't make a hero, it makes a fat bank account and the incentive to take the risks.
 
Old 06-06-2009, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Those in the drug trade are killed all the time but the money is so good they still risk it.

Tiller, $5,000 a pop times 60,000 doesn't make a hero, it makes a fat bank account and the incentive to take the risks.
Worst analogy on citydata. Congrats.
 
Old 06-06-2009, 09:52 PM
 
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1. There are legitimate medical reasons for a late-term abortions, despite the opinion of many who would deny that.
2. Only 3 doctors would perform the procedure because of threats, harassment and violence by protesters.
3. He saved the lives of wives and mothers.
4. Stop to consider what terrible anomalies must exist to justify the removal of an infant that will not
live anyway: just from personal experience I can cite a fetus whose spinal cord was outside of the
spinal column, and an infant born with a partial head. Please don't suggest that a loving God would
want that fetus to undergo the agony of birth, followed by a short, agonizing life.
Such as? With the advances in technology, what medical reason necessitates murdering a viable baby, that couldn't have been detected in the first trimester? An expert psychologist testified on the witness stand during Tillers trial that he was performing abortions on late term viable babies for reasons as insane as the mother saying that she wouldn't be able to party anymore with a kid to take care of. Is that one of the "medical necessities" that you speak of?
 
Old 06-06-2009, 09:54 PM
 
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1. There are legitimate medical reasons for a late-term abortions, despite the opinion of many who would deny that.
2. Only 3 doctors would perform the procedure because of threats, harassment and violence by protesters.
3. He saved the lives of wives and mothers.
4. Stop to consider what terrible anomalies must exist to justify the removal of an infant that will not
live anyway: just from personal experience I can cite a fetus whose spinal cord was outside of the
spinal column, and an infant born with a partial head. Please don't suggest that a loving God would
want that fetus to undergo the agony of birth, followed by a short, agonizing life.

For what reasons are late-term abortions usually performed?

There is no evidence that the reasons for which late-term abortions are performed by the partial-birth abortion method are any different, in general, than the reasons for which late-term abortions are performed by other methods -- and it is well established that the great majority of late-term abortions do not involve any illness of the mother or the baby. They are purely "elective" procedures-- that is, they are performed for purely "social" reasons.
In 1987, the Alan Guttmacher Institute (AGI), an affiliate of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA), collected questionnaires from 1,900 women who were at abortion clinics procuring abortions. Of the 1,900, "420 had been pregnant for 16 or more weeks." These 420 women were asked to choose among a menu of reasons why they had not obtained the abortions earlier in their pregnancies. Only two percent (2%) said "a fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy," compared to 71% who responded "did not recognize that she was pregnant or misjudged gestation," 48% who said "found it hard to make arrangements," and 33% who said "was afraid to tell her partner or parents." The report did not indicate that any of the 420 late abortions were performed because of maternal health problems. ["Why Do Women Have Abortions?," Family Planning Perspectives, July/August 1988.]
Also illuminating is an 1993 internal memo by Barbara Radford, then the executive director of the National Abortion Federation, a "trade association" for abortion clinics:
There are many reasons why women have late abortions: life endangerment, fetal indications, lack of money or health insurance, social-psychological crises, lack of knowledge about human reproduction, etc." [emphasis added]
Likewise, a June 12, 1995, National Abortion Federation letter to members of the House of Representatives noted that late abortions are sought by, among others, "very young teenagers...who have not recognized the signs of their pregnancies until too late," and by "women in poverty, who have tried desperately to act responsibly and to end an unplanned pregnancy in the early stages, only to face insurmountable financial barriers."
In her article about late-term abortions, based in part on extensive interviews with Dr. McMahon and on direct observation of his practice (Los Angeles Times Magazine, January 7, 1990), reporter Karen Tumulty concluded:
If there is any other single factor that inflates the number of late abortions, it is youth. Often, teen-agers do not recognize the first signs of pregnancy. Just as frequently, they put off telling anyone as long as they can.
According to Peggy Jarman, spokeswoman for Dr. George Tiller, who specializes in late-term abortions in Wichita, Kansas:
About three-fourths of Tiller's late-term patients, Jarman said, are teen-agers who have denied to themselves or their families they were pregnant until it was too late to hide it. [Kansas City Star]

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