The gays have it. (compared, examples, claims, percentage)

[webster]

What are the backward states? Are they the states with the high morals? Are they the most conservative? Let's see, humm...from the US Census, the states with the highest level of child poverty and poverty in general are with 2 exceptions in the South. (The last statistics I saw for Va. shows that 20% of the people in SW Va. did not complete the 9th grade - yet Va. prides itself on its conservative/Virginia values.) The states with lowest level of high school gradution rates are again with 2 exceptions in the South. The South is above the national average in sucides yet below the national average in per capita mental health spending. Are high rates of poverty, lack of education, low levels of spending on public health conservative? I don't know what to call it. Is it backward to not welcome people who are talented and educated?

[saganista]

Originally Posted by webster

(BTW, one can take an oath without a Bible if one wishes, or even avoid the oath all together since it involves one swearing.)

True in most cases where an affirmation will suffice, but not entirely true vis-a-vis the Presidency, where the oath and its wording are spelled out in the Constitution. Even there, the Bible and the words 'so help me God' at the end are entirely at the discretion of the President-elect...

[spunky1]

I would hope if one did not believe in God they would certainly not swear an oath using His name.
Funny how our Presidents are Christians. You seem to look down on Christians and say they are not intelligent. Clinton, he claims to be a Christian, does he fall in your uneducated, ignorant classification?

[JerZ]

Originally Posted by spunky1

I would hope if one did not believe in God they would certainly not swear an oath using His name.
Funny how our Presidents are Christians. You seem to look down on Christians and say they are not intelligent. Clinton, he claims to be a Christian, does he fall in your uneducated, ignorant classification?

80% of the country is Christian. It only stands to reason that there is the possibility of more Christians than non-Christians as a whole running for office, and it also stands that this major domination of Christian voters will vote in a Christian.

[DocGSD]

Originally Posted by zonababe

Marriage is not only for people who want to have children.

I didnt say it was. I said that being gay is a poor example to children. It come down to the fact that gay people do not contribute to the future in a reproductive way.

[DocGSD]

Originally Posted by Themis

there is alot more harmful things to the young society. i dont see the sick and wrong in love. its not like your kid is going to be in their bedroom when they are doing w/e they want to do. everyone has the right to be happy and by fighting against gay marriage you really are crushing people's happiness wheter you believe this to be a lod of crap or not. all they want is to be happy not pervert your children and turn the who population gay

Uhhhh well, so be happy in a natural way.

[DocGSD]

Originally Posted by Nea1

All this just pushes me further and further from the church. intolerance, downright hate, on and on. If it doesnt fit into their little world, it isnt right which to me is just wrong.

No it dosent. You are just looking for excuses to stay away from the church. Otherwise you would have the same opinion and values.

[saganista]

Originally Posted by spunky1

I would hope if one did not believe in God they would certainly not swear an oath using His name.

Me too. That would smack of hypocrisy. Still some outrage did seem to arise over Keith Ellison's preference to be sworn into Congress on the Quran.

Originally Posted by spunky1

Funny how our Presidents are Christians.

Bias. They've all been white and male so far as well.

Originally Posted by spunky1

You seem to look down on Christians and say they are not intelligent. Clinton, he claims to be a Christian, does he fall in your uneducated, ignorant classification?

I'm mystified as to your source for such a conclusion. It rather seems to me that you're inventing characterizations to ascribe to me simply for the purpose of then raising objections to them. Sort of like Jerry Falwell himself inventing the Homosexual Agenda and then railing weekly against it. As for Clinton, he's a perfectly intelligent person, and, in common with both you and me, he has an individual right of religious self-determination.

[Nea1]

Originally Posted by Gsd353

No it dosent. You are just looking for excuses to stay away from the church. Otherwise you would have the same opinion and values.

Who are you to tell me what keeps me away? You dont even know me. These "values" and opinions dont sit well with me, I cant deny how I feel, I am not going to lie to myself to join the church. I am a free thinker, I dont follow any books especially one I dont know is really fact based, or leads me to discrimination.

[Nea1]

Originally Posted by Gsd353

Uhhhh well, so be happy in a natural way.

They cant they are born that way. They would just be lying to themselves and everyone else.