The gays have it. (compare, claim, support, laws)

[saganista]

Originally Posted by Gsd353

I didnt say it was. I said that being gay is a poor example to children.

In what way are gays a poor example to children? Gays live the same array of lifestyles as straights. Some are admirable and fine examples to anyone. Others are not.

Originally Posted by Gsd353

It come down to the fact that gay people do not contribute to the future in a reproductive way.

You can't have it both ways. Either you are indeed saying that marriage is only for those who wish to reproduce (which of course includes many gays and excludes many straights), or you contradict yourself in then stating that opposition to gay marriage comes down to lack of contribution in a reproductive way.

[Kereczr]

Originally Posted by Marks

That will be the day.

Do you seriously think that as the centuries pass with no rapture and a continue sense of modern materialism developing, and mixing of various world views that christianity will remain as it is now? I suggest you study its history because it has never really been a "stable" religion.

[Kereczr]

Originally Posted by spunky1

Because one wants marriage to stay between a man and a women they are the "epitome of hatred and bigotry." This is quite a leap, and I might add judgemental.

I really have trouble understanding why some can't understand that it has nothing to do with hate or fear or bigotry but everything to do with maintaining our judeo/christian ethics. I know I am wasting my breath but it is really tiresome that every time someone posts regarding conservative values they are accused of hate, ignorance and bigotry.

I really think it is the other way around, as well as arrogance and close-mindedness. We are continually challenged to see your point of view, but you think you are right and refuse to open your mind.

Because our view doesn't keep an entire group of people in a state of being second class citizens, yours does and has in the past for MANY groups of people.

[Kereczr]

Originally Posted by Marks

As Christians and those with a moral backbone we are working to not allow gay marriage.

You say, "Why would you be "fighting hard" to crush someone's happiness?"

Oh, please.

I doubt you know what morality really is, besides why did you just so happen to choose gay marriage to fight? There are MANY things you coulda fought for because after all all sins are equal in the eyes of god. You lying is as much of a sin as my having a homosexual act of sex ^_~

Originally Posted by spunky1

I understand that not everyone is a Christian, I believe you stated you were wiccan.
However let me remind you that our country was founded on Judeo/Chritian principles. Do you recall that before one testifies under oath they place their hand on the Bible, and when one is sworn into the highest office in the land they also place their hand on the Bible also?

I do believe the Bible holds an important place in our countrys history and future and if you don't accept this fact you will probably remain as discontent as you seem now.

*sigh* what is with you christians thinking this? Most of the founding fathers were deists, agnostics, etc..all along those lines. And the recent things like "in god we trust", "a nation under god", etc all, as I said, are RECENT!

Originally Posted by Gsd353

I didnt say it was. I said that being gay is a poor example to children. It come down to the fact that gay people do not contribute to the future in a reproductive way.

let me now
address the objection that children aren’t as well adjusted in homosexual
households. People who argue against homosexual marriage in part due to
their assumption that homosexuals will raise damaged children, or their
children will end up homosexual, are mistaken. The American
Psychological Association, among many other respected organizations, have done
studies on the issue and concluded that there are no noticeable
differences between children from homosexual homes and children from homosexual
homes. The APA has issued a statement on their website stating: “Studies
comparing groups of children raised by homosexual and by heterosexual
parents find no developmental differences between the two groups of
children in four critical areas: their intelligence, psychological
adjustment, social adjustment, and popularity with friends. It is also
important to realize that a parent's sexual orientation does not dictate his or
her children's.” This brings me to my next point that homosexual
parents will cause their children to become more likely to be homosexual. If
we completely ignore the scientific evidence which, for the most part,
states that homosexuality has at least some origin biologically, then
this may be a valid argument, if it where true. However this is not the
case, as is stated in the above quotation. One recent statistic I saw
on the matter claims to show that homosexual tendency in heterosexual
homes is above half as that of children raised in homosexual homes, being
about five percent in heterosexual homes and about ten to twelve
percent in homosexual homes. Even if this were the case there could be a very
simply explanation for this. The homosexual population is estimated by
various groups to be at about ten percent. So this would explain the
difference in the number of children who profess to begin gay from
heterosexual homes as compared to homosexual homes. Given the stigmatization
that children from heterosexual homes may feel by coming out to their
parents isn’t it obvious that the numbers for their coming out would be
lower? Of course the numbers would be higher for children coming out to
their parents in homosexual household because they would feel more
comfortable doings so. And with the percent of homosexuals raised in
same-sex households being at about ten to twelve percent this puts it right
at the estimated percentage for the number of people who are homosexual.
So this too is not a valid objection to same-sex marriage.

[JerZ]

Isn't it weird how most posts end up being about religion here, even if they started out as something else? This topic started being about gays and corporations.

It ALWAYS seems to come around to religion. It would be lovely not to argue about religion but that seems impossible. I think someone could post "Plaid or Polka Dots: Which is Better?" and it would end up being about religion.

Discuss. (/waving hands around)

[spunky1]

Originally Posted by Kereczr

Because our view doesn't keep an entire group of people in a state of being second class citizens, yours does and has in the past for MANY groups of people.

How are homosexuals "second class citizens". They have all rights all other citizens have.

[Marks]

Originally Posted by Kereczr

Do you seriously think that as the centuries pass with no rapture and a continue sense of modern materialism developing, and mixing of various world views that christianity will remain as it is now? I suggest you study its history because it has never really been a "stable" religion.

Nonsense. I have and do study my faith's history, and believe me it's very stable. Faith in God has been around since day one. So I think I'm in great hands.

[Marks]

Originally Posted by Kereczr

I doubt you know what morality really is, besides why did you just so happen to choose gay marriage to fight? There are MANY things you coulda fought for because after all all sins are equal in the eyes of god. You lying is as much of a sin as my having a homosexual act of sex ^_~

I did not "just so happen to choose gay marriage" to fight. Your right, there is many other social fights I engage in as well the gay marriage perversion.

[DocGSD]

[/quote]
let me now
address the objection that children aren’t as well adjusted in homosexual
households. People who argue against homosexual marriage in part due to
their assumption that homosexuals will raise damaged children, or their
children will end up homosexual, are mistaken. The American
Psychological Association, among many other respected organizations, have done
studies on the issue and concluded that there are no noticeable
differences between children from homosexual homes and children from homosexual
homes. The APA has issued a statement on their website stating: “Studies
comparing groups of children raised by homosexual and by heterosexual
parents find no developmental differences between the two groups of
children in four critical areas: their intelligence, psychological
adjustment, social adjustment, and popularity with friends. It is also
important to realize that a parent's sexual orientation does not dictate his or
her children's.” This brings me to my next point that homosexual
parents will cause their children to become more likely to be homosexual. If
we completely ignore the scientific evidence which, for the most part,
states that homosexuality has at least some origin biologically, then
this may be a valid argument, if it where true. However this is not the
case, as is stated in the above quotation. One recent statistic I saw
on the matter claims to show that homosexual tendency in heterosexual
homes is above half as that of children raised in homosexual homes, being
about five percent in heterosexual homes and about ten to twelve
percent in homosexual homes. Even if this were the case there could be a very
simply explanation for this. The homosexual population is estimated by
various groups to be at about ten percent. So this would explain the
difference in the number of children who profess to begin gay from
heterosexual homes as compared to homosexual homes. Given the stigmatization
that children from heterosexual homes may feel by coming out to their
parents isn’t it obvious that the numbers for their coming out would be
lower? Of course the numbers would be higher for children coming out to
their parents in homosexual household because they would feel more
comfortable doings so. And with the percent of homosexuals raised in
same-sex households being at about ten to twelve percent this puts it right
at the estimated percentage for the number of people who are homosexual.
So this too is not a valid objection to same-sex marriage.[/quote]

Im not even going to justify a responce to this.

[DocGSD]

Originally Posted by Nea1

They cant they are born that way. They would just be lying to themselves and everyone else.

You are not born that way. It's a learned behavior, trait, feeling or whatever. Go to medical school for 8 years and then you can tell me about how you "feel" when you are born. Human minds dont process sexual orientation for years.