The gays have it. (generation, revolution, dollars, gay people)

[spunky1]

Originally Posted by PrettyHateMachine

I apoligize I took so long to respond, this "Hate Machine" was reading his son a bedtime story...



You have me generalizing on you post, but I wasn't. My post was directed at Marks. I think I made that quite clear.

I wouldn't put you, spunky1, in the same category, despite our differences, you don't strike me as a hateful, bigoted person.

But when someone puts a grin after writing he'd fight against a humans right, in addition to his other demeaning remarks, I stand by my statement.

Ha, you made me chuckle. Hope it wasn't HP or Grimms!

Well thank you, I appreciate the clarification.

[PrettyHateMachine]

Originally Posted by Marks

Call me out all the time? Are we on some preschool playground? I don't often respond to you because you care to only insult me and put down my faith. Plus, the few times I did respond it does no good because nothing I say is "agreeable" to you.

First I'll respond to both of your questions.

1. Yes I do.
   
2. Sometimes it feels like it.

If by insulting you you mean defending the rights of ppl that are gay, black, and are of Islamic faith, then yes I'm guilty as charged.

Originally Posted by Marks

You said this I didn't, "PrettyHateMachine"

I knew you would like that.

[zonababe]

Originally Posted by Gsd353

I agree, that is a crock of crap. Even if it wasnt a christian stance. That is just sick, wrong and a poor example for our youth. Well those of us straight to have children that is...

Marriage is not only for people who want to have children.

[Nea1]

Originally Posted by Marks

Nea1, you've said this time and time again, ok we get it you hate God and want nothing to do with Him fine. We get it already.

Where did I ever say I hated God!!!.Why because I dont believe in being hateful or disrespectful to people that are differnt from me means I hate god? What I HATE is over zealous people preaching to me that if I dont follow God I will go to hell. And no I never said I wanted nothing to do with him/her, I want nothing to do with the over zealous preachy people telling me what a sinner I am..

[_redbird_]

Originally Posted by Marks

We should get back to the original question.

"My question is... Does it take a corporation to make a change, in the process anger the Christians at the same time?"

Hey pro-gays there's your agenda for you.

Ah, you roll your eyes but your post betrays your intent. Who said corporations only makes changes -for- gays, or that this change in particular would ONLY advance gay rights? Do not corporations make changes which will put money into their pockets? If it is a change that benefits straights, does it necessarily anger gays? Do you honestly think you can tell me you know what angers gays or christians? I know for a fact, many many gays are married, christian and oh so conservative in every way imaginable. So, if there is an agenda here, I would say it is the corporations agenda.

[mmouwse]

Originally Posted by spunky1

Because one wants marriage to stay between a man and a women they are the "epitome of hatred and bigotry." This is quite a leap, and I might add judgemental.

I really have trouble understanding why some can't understand that it has nothing to do with hate or fear or bigotry but everything to do with maintaining our judeo/christian ethics. I know I am wasting my breath but it is really tiresome that every time someone posts regarding conservative values they are accused of hate, ignorance and bigotry.

I really think it is the other way around, as well as arrogance and close-mindedness. We are continually challenged to see your point of view, but you think you are right and refuse to open your mind.

Your religious teachings, ethics, principles, beliefs, and marriages are [i]religious[i] and as such have no place in our constitution except for where it discusses separation of church and state. So...Your religious dictates have no place in my civil responsibilities, civil rights, or civil ceremonies and recognition. Please do not stomp on my religious rights or my civil rights with your religious beliefs. I do not want your principals, practices, and beliefs rammed down my throat anymore than you want mine. So perhaps you would consider a live and let live practice?

[webster]

To get back to the topic, business sees that they cannot say some of their employees are not equal to others and deny them and their family equal benefits; it may be a business decision, yet capitalism helped spur many of the reinterpertations of the Bible.The problem with using Judaeo/Christian ethics to bar equal rights for gays is that there is no single Judaeo/Christian ethic. Judiasm accepts gays - even many Orthodox rabbis say there is only a prohibition on anal intercourse, not frottage; surely the rabbis are best at interperting the Law. Many Christians and their churches do endorse equal rights for gays in all areas. Whether one likes to admit it or not, the ethic has evolved. Kings once ruled by divine right, Christians were not allowed to lend $ with interest, the bible was used to justify slavery, second class citizenship for women; divorced women would not allow to remarry, adultry would be punished by death on and on. The bible has a specific prohibition on tatoos, yet I don't see that being outlawed. The Judaeo/Christian ethic evolves, otherwise we would be stoning a lot of teenagers and women.

[Marks]

Originally Posted by mmouwse

[font="Verdana"][color="Blue"]Your religious teachings, ethics, principles, beliefs, and marriages are [i]religious[i] and as such have no place in our constitution except for where it discusses separation of church and state.

Wow, please provide that statement IN THE CONSTITUTION! You need to copy and paste the seperation phrase and show us. I believe your misinformed.

[Dedalus]

Originally Posted by redbird4848

Calm down Dedalus, it was a joke.

It just struck me funny to see you say there are some gays who go after these young men. God, lighten up already.

Besides, it is probably true there are some gays who love young sensitive men. And I am not referring to chicken hawks, per se. I mean young men of legal age. I was just having fun with your post.

I publicly apologize for offending you. Okay? Now. Where did you say those sensitive young men were? I have Sparticus, Cabaret, and Paris is Burning on DVD....

Ahh, you just caught me in a bad mood...my boss is ragging on me for spending too much time on City-Data...

I LOVE Cabaret...almost any other Bob Fosse musical, too.

[saganista]

Originally Posted by Marks

Wow, please provide that statement IN THE CONSTITUTION! You need to copy and paste the seperation phrase and show us. I believe your misinformed.

You'll need something more than merely the Establishment and Free Exercise Clauses, both of which apologists for Christian fundamentalism traditionally distort. You'll also need the body of jurisprudence that gives those Clauses specificity. What you'll find in summary is that your religious rights remain entire and unto yourself, but that they end at the tips of your fingers. And that the same applies to each other individual as it does to you.