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Old 06-09-2009, 08:39 AM
 
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Because Scott Roeder's actions fall within the category of domestic terrorism, and because he made a statement to the press that there were other such acts of domestic terrorism being planned in the U.S., WHY are those people who SUPPORT "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" for terrorists NOT calling for such interrogation of Scott Roeder in order to try to find out exactly which doctors who provide legal reproductive services for women are "next" on the "list" so to speak?
Okay, dunk him and the US citizen Muslim guy, Abdulhakim Muhammad, that killed the army recruiter in Little Rock and shot another. That would be the guy with the fake Somali passport that the FBI encountered in Yemen. The FBI is combing through his past to see if he worked alone. Junt dunk him now and ask him.
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Old 06-09-2009, 08:48 AM
 
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Those who say Americans citizens are offered protections terrorists are not, don't forget about that when backed into a corner ala Jose Padilla.
Jose Padilla was a victim of historical precedent. Ex parte Quirin, upheld by the Supreme Court in the 1940's, was the legal precedent used to justify imprisoning Padilla as an enemy combatant. It's necessary to clear that up before your supporters come in and start bashing Bush over something they know absolutely nothing about.
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Old 06-09-2009, 08:50 AM
 
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It makes total sense. Scott Roeder has Constitutional protection afforded to him as an American citizen. The three Al Qaeda terrorists did not.

A US citizen is protected by the US constitution
A US citizen has the right to not be treated cruelly or unusually.
A US citizen has the right to plead the fifth and remain silent
A US citizen is innocent until proven guilty
A US citizen has the right to face his accusers.

Furthermore, Federal domestic waterboarding is illegal under the 8th Amendment. State waterboarding is illegal under 14th Amendment section 1.

Apples and Oranges. Moot point.
Read the Pat Riot Act.
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Old 06-09-2009, 08:53 AM
 
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I don't recall that EHT was ever used on American citizens, nor will it be, so your point is as moot as it gets.
I don't think so. Not since 9/11. Just ask Mr. Cheney and Mr. Bush about WHO are terrorists and what "laws" or policies apply to terrorists.

The designation is "terrorist"...(no difference between domestic terrorist and any other kind of terrorist).....a lot of people have posted that they SUPPORT the use of Enhanced Interrogation Techniques (torture) on "terrorists".......so I'm wondering if those people who SUPPORT the action taken by Mr. Roeder also support the use of "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" on him (as he is a domestic terrorist) in order to obtain further information about who else may be planning to murder a doctor in the name of anti-choice.....huh?

Or is there a double standard?

I'm totally opposed to torture, aka Enhanced Interrogation Techniques, however, I'm asking those people here to support such "interrogations" if they support the use of those "techniques" on Roeder?
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Old 06-09-2009, 08:55 AM
 
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Okay, dunk him and the US citizen Muslim guy, Abdulhakim Muhammad, that killed the army recruiter in Little Rock and shot another. That would be the guy with the fake Somali passport that the FBI encountered in Yemen. The FBI is combing through his past to see if he worked alone. Junt dunk him now and ask him.
I do NOT support torture aka Enhanced Interrogation Techniques.

DO YOU? Is that what you are saying in the above post, that you do support "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" across the board, meaning domestic terrorists as well as terrorists from other countries?
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Old 06-09-2009, 09:00 AM
 
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Yeah, let's waterboard him. Two wrongs make a right, right?
Your answer is ambiguous. Which is it? You support torture to get information from terrorists whether domestic or foreign, or you don't?

I realize there's some sarcasm in your answer. My questions have been especially directed at those who SUPPORT torture, aka "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques"........I'm asking the people who supported the action taken by Scott Roeder as well as support torture, if they still stupport "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" when it comes to Roeder.

I do NOT support torture, period.
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Old 06-09-2009, 09:03 AM
 
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It makes total sense. Scott Roeder has Constitutional protection afforded to him as an American citizen. The three Al Qaeda terrorists did not.

A US citizen is protected by the US constitution
A US citizen has the right to not be treated cruelly or unusually.
A US citizen has the right to plead the fifth and remain silent
A US citizen is innocent until proven guilty
A US citizen has the right to face his accusers.

Furthermore, Federal domestic waterboarding is illegal under the 8th Amendment. State waterboarding is illegal under 14th Amendment section 1.

Apples and Oranges. Moot point.
I thought if someone were designated a "terrorist" that they then "lost" all Constitutional rights and go into a "black hole" to be investigated and interrogated? Do you remember the lawyer in the NW U.S. who was accused of being involved in the bombings in Spain???
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Old 06-09-2009, 09:04 AM
 
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Jose Padilla was a victim of historical precedent. Ex parte Quirin, upheld by the Supreme Court in the 1940's, was the legal precedent used to justify imprisoning Padilla as an enemy combatant. It's necessary to clear that up before your supporters come in and start bashing Bush over something they know absolutely nothing about.
Do you support torture, aka Enhanced Interrogation Techniques, period?
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Old 06-09-2009, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Epping,NH
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Wait until the next airliner flies into a building. then everyone will be demanding answers why the government didn't know about the plot. 9/11 won't be the last incident in this country. The next might make it look like a non-event. Maybe a city gets wiped off the map.

Then will those techniques to get information still deemed "too awful"? Doubt it.
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Old 06-09-2009, 09:06 AM
 
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Read the Pat Riot Act.
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