Tiller's abortion clinic to close permanently (statistics, free speech, terror, states)

[dcsldcd]

Originally Posted by newtoli

Tillers clinic did not only perform 3rd Trimester abortions. That recording is him welcoming patients to his clinic. You can obtain a 2nd trimester elective abortion for any reason, legally.

In 1995, the laws regarding late term and viability were very different.

It was addressing late term abortion ELECTIVE care. It doesn't help the Tiller's family is erasing the evidence of what he was.

[newtoli]

Originally Posted by dcsldcd

It was adressing late term abortion ELECTIVE care.

You can obtain a legal, 2nd trimester (late term) elective abortion up until viability.

[dcsldcd]

Twisting facts denies truth.

[wjtwet]

Originally Posted by uggabugga

weren't the pro-aborters rejoicing that someone had already offered to take tiller's place?

We should make it hallowed ground like the nazi death camps. So further genarations can see what we did.

[LoneWolf88]

lol...death camps? lord here i go again....i hate not trying to change the subject.

[sevfiv]

Who came up with the silly term "pro-abortion?" Of all the pro-choice folks I know, none are this. They are, however, pro-education, pro-family planning, and of course, pro-choice when it comes to a difficult and crappy situation like being pregnant and being faced with a situation I know nothing of.

The idea of abortion is awful to me, but so are the large number of situations that surround abortion to those faced with them. While I would always hope someone would find another answer, I cannot force an answer on anyone.

Plus, there is a huge public health risk associated with banning abortion (in general) in medical facilities. The key is education and planned parenthood (<-- not referring to the capitalized organization, but they can help with those).

[newtoli]

Originally Posted by dcsldcd

Twisting facts denies truth.

Not really. Facts are facts. He's not specifically speaking about 3rd trimester abortions. The website you pulled that from is actually the one twisting facts.

[JetJockey]

Originally Posted by sevfiv

Who came up with the silly term "pro-abortion?" Of all the pro-choice folks I know, none are this. They are, however, pro-education, pro-family planning, and of course, pro-choice when it comes to a difficult and crappy situation like being pregnant and being faced with a situation I know nothing of.

The idea of abortion is awful to me, but so are the large number of situations that surround abortion to those faced with them. While I would always hope someone would find another answer, I cannot force an answer on anyone.

Plus, there is a huge public health risk associated with banning abortion (in general) in medical facilities. The key is education and planned parenthood (<-- not referring to the capitalized organization, but they can help with those).

YES. I am very very pro choice, but do not like abortions. It would be a happy day in my life if every child was planned and wanted, there were no fetal abnormalities and women all had healthy, happy pregnancies. Unfortunately we do not live in that Utopia and therefore must make choices that are not pleasant. Ease of access to all types of birth control including the pill, condoms, diaphragms, patches etc etc should be encouraged by parents and peers and safe sex should be taught to each and every student.

Banning abortion will not stop it. Abortions will not ever stop, they will only become more dangerous. As for myself, if I were to get pregnant and my child had some horrible problem and they would not live past birth I would elect to have an abortion at any stage. Unfortunately now, there are only two doctors that are able to help.

[Hesster]

Originally Posted by dcsldcd

It would be a lot easier if Tiller's supporters would educate themselves about the man. Of course that would not play into their agenda.

Does Tiller Perform Late-Term Abortions Only in Hardship Cases?* Elective Late Term Abortion

Tiller's own words:

Your presence here this morning means that something is going dramatically wrong in your life. You may be here to end a pregnancy early because of fetal abnormality to save your unwell, unborn child from a lifetime of pain, suffering, disability, and hardship.
On the other hand, you may be here because of some of your own issues of survival. You may have issues of domestic violence: rape, incest, spouse abuse, or child abuse.
You may have issues of your own health. You may have some serious disease process: cancer, lymphoma, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, or any one of a number of the other medical problems that can afflict women of child bearing age.
You may have some issues of age yourself. You may be 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 years of age. On the other hand, you may be at the end of the other spectrum of fertility. You may be 40, 45, 50, 55, or even 60 years of age.
There may be some issues of poverty such as homelessness. You may have some occupational issues. You may have some financial issues.
But, for whatever reason that you are here... we find that there are many reasons why women find that continuing the pregnancy will cause substantial and irreversible impairment of their physical health, their mental health, their emotional health, their family health, age of the patient, safety and well-being... for whatever reason that you are here, welcome to Wichita, and thank you for the opportunity to be helpful to you.

him: http://www.dr-tiller.com/images/reasons.mp3


More of Tiller's own words:

"We have some experience with late terminations: about 10,000 patients between 24 and 36 weeks and something like 800 fetal anomalies between 26 and 36 weeks in the past 5 years."
From a speech given by George R. Tiller at the National Abortion Federation Annual Meeting on April 2-4, 1995 in New Orleans, LA

hear him: http://www.dr-tiller.com/images/latekills.mp3

Yeah, so he performed abortions for other reasons. I don't give a rat's patootie. Your reply is nothing more than an attempt to dance around the issue.

You claim that any doctor will abort a dead fetus. But what about those that are technically alive but outside the womb have a few hours of life at most? Ones that will die due to the stresses during birth or spend their short lives in terrible pain? The truth is that most doctors will not, in fear of suffering a fate like Tiller's.

In effect, you want to force a woman to give birth to a doomed baby just because you personally find the proceedure to avoid it 'icky'.

[domergurl]

Dr. Leroy Carhart is taking Dr. Tiller's patients. While it's sad that the Tiller family is closing the clinic, his work will go on.