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Old 06-12-2009, 09:03 AM
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How about some PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY people?!
Like blaming "liberals" for everything? ololol
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Old 06-12-2009, 09:15 AM
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I think the thinking is that had the FBI left the Black Panthers alone in both L.A and Chicago(Fred Hampton shooting)this would have had a neutralizing affect on the gang influence in these two cities. Black organizations like the Panthers would have provided an alternative to the gang influence by directing young people in a more political direction instead of a criminal direction.
WHAT in the name of the tooth fairy makes you think that the Black Panthers would be any better than the Bloods or the Crips by now?Same element,different times.And as for "leadership"...you would want your kids to model themselves after Black Panther party members?That's ignorance at it's very highest imo.
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Old 06-12-2009, 10:33 AM
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There's a view out there that by the FBI through Hoover's Cointelpro program bringing down the Black Panthers this indirectly help to lead to the creation of the Crips and Bloods because this disrupted Black leadership that could have prevented these gangs formation. This clip starts after the Watts Riot.
Well, that is simplistic and it doesn't take into account things like personal responsibility or the fact that the Crips (and many other gangs in Los Angeles) were around the same time (and many gangs, before) the Black Panthers.

But the Black Panthers did provide a lot of blac men with a purpose and they did do a lot of good work in the community. Granted, there were a lot of thugs in the Black Panthers and it seems like every former street thug who became a Pather and then reverted back to his old thuggish manners was "framed" by the police according to most Leftists and many black people, but I'll gladly give credit where credit is due.

But what a lot of people don't seem to understand is that hopelessness and anger are not uncommon in the ghetto. You have a lot of people who are angry about real and imagined injustice and feel that they are stuck with their lot in life no matter what. The Black Panthers tapped into that and generally encouraged political action and charity, it gave a lot of young black men (many of them without fathers) a purpose and encouraged them to do something positive. You will not find many people more individualistic and pro-personal responsibility than me, but we all know that social groups can have a positive or negative effect on behavior. You know what other groups give people an outlet for their anger and hopelessness? Gangs. Instead of a group encourging reading, social action, and pride in your community, you get a lot of fatherless teenage boys looking up to groups with "philosophies" like "F--k the world" or "Get rich by whatever means" or "Working people are prey".

Hey, I don't agree with everything the Black Panthers stood for and there were way too many extremists and thugs in their ranks, but if I had a choice between having some Black Panthers or some Crips/Bloods/Zoe Pound/Gotti Boys/Vice Lords/GDs down the street from me; I'd pick the Panthers.
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Old 06-12-2009, 10:35 AM
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WHAT in the name of the tooth fairy makes you think that the Black Panthers would be any better than the Bloods or the Crips by now?Same element,different times.And as for "leadership"...you would want your kids to model themselves after Black Panther party members?That's ignorance at it's very highest imo.
While there were no shortage of thugs, idiots, and extremists in the Black Panthers, you are really stretching by saying that Crips and Bloods are basically the same thing.
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Old 06-12-2009, 10:36 AM
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There's a view out there that by the FBI through Hoover's Cointelpro program bringing down the Black Panthers this indirectly help to lead to the creation of the Crips and Bloods because this disrupted Black leadership that could have prevented these gangs formation. This clip starts after the Watts Riot.


YouTube - PBS Independent Lens - Crips and Bloods: Made in America 4/11

WHAT THE...what kind of fragle nagle bull is this? The black panthers were NEVER apart of Black Leadership....
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Old 06-12-2009, 10:39 AM
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Liberals and their conspiracy theories. Just like when far left liberal D.L Hughley said he thinks Ronald Reagan was responsible for the increase in crime and murders in Black America.

DO NOT associate this CRAP on liberals. If i sound pissed, thats because I am...this type of shyt gets me going. I saw the video and its BS.
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Old 06-12-2009, 12:04 PM
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WHAT THE...what kind of fragle nagle bull is this? The black panthers were NEVER apart of Black Leadership....
No the Panthers weren't a part of the civil rights leadership of King but the Panthers did have a significant following and influence whether you agreed with them or not.
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Old 06-12-2009, 12:13 PM
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Panthers were/are an organized crime outfit. It is the FBI's business to deal with them.
Lets's not act like Hoover's cointelpro tactics were done for ethical reasons. Hoover was well known for using unethical and illegal tactics against people including against the Panthers.


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COINTELPRO (an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program) was a series of covert, and often illegal, projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at investigating and disrupting dissident political organizations within the United States.

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Old 06-12-2009, 12:17 PM
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this reminds me so much of defense of the KKK, the oppression of the north and and slave rape gangs forced the KKK to develop,
classic argument for the existance of evil.
gang bangers are good people deep down inside.
yep for sure. up is down darkness is light.
how utterly far from the teachings of mr king.
a christian minister
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Old 06-12-2009, 12:19 PM
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Concurring Opinions » Should J. Edgar Hoover’s Name Be Removed From the FBI Building?

How Hoover is viewed.
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