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Old 06-11-2009, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Healthcare today is controlled by the financial sector, so it's no surprise that Fortune magazine would oppose anything that would remove dollars from that sector.

Give us something a little less biased.
Did you find untruths in the article, or discard the article out of hand because you did not like the messenger?
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Old 06-11-2009, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Obama and the Democrats are proposing just what I feared they would for health care 'reform'. They want to throw more money at an already bloated system. I'm glad I'm not the only one pointing that out. Here is the article:


Obama's health plan is no bargain: 4 reasons why - Jun. 11, 2009
That article is BS. The plan will work fine as long as almost everybody is paying into the system. And they should not charge older people more because older people have paid into the health system many more years than younger people have and younger people will probably get old someday and then they get to pay the same rate.
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Old 06-11-2009, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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That article is BS. The plan will work fine as long as almost everybody is paying into the system. And they should not charge older people more because older people have paid into the health system many more years than younger people have and younger people will probably get old someday and then they get to pay the same rate.
Sounds like a Ponzi scheme:

The Ponzi scheme usually offers returns that other investments cannot guarantee in order to entice new investors, in the form of short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent. The perpetuation of the returns that a Ponzi scheme advertises and pays requires an ever-increasing flow of money from investors in order to keep the scheme going.
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Old 06-11-2009, 07:35 PM
 
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That article is BS. The plan will work fine as long as almost everybody is paying into the system. And they should not charge older people more because older people have paid into the health system many more years than younger people have and younger people will probably get old someday and then they get to pay the same rate.
Key line in your post :"The plan will work fine as long as almost everybody is paying into the system". With 40% of the people in the US not paying federal income taxes do you really think "almost everybody" will be paying into it?
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Old 06-11-2009, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Key line in your post :"The plan will work fine as long as almost everybody is paying into the system". With 40% of the people in the US not paying federal income taxes do you really think "almost everybody" will be paying into it?
I think that, yes, a much higher percentage of Americans do pay SS taxes and the Health Premium should be taxed like SS is- everybody pays and everybody plays. Actually I think more people should pay Federal Income taxes too. Only those who earn less than $24,000 a year should not pay income taxes.
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Old 06-11-2009, 07:47 PM
 
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I think that, yes, a much higher percentage of Americans do pay SS taxes and the Health Premium should be taxed like SS is- everybody pays and everybody plays. Actually I think more people should pay Federal Income taxes too. Only those who earn less than $24,000 a year should not pay income taxes.
I agree with KevK. Witholding a health premium from everyones paycheck is a great idea to fund healthcare and will take a great burden off of the employers. Removing this burden is exactly what the administration says is holding back a growing economy and therefore growing workforce.
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Old 06-11-2009, 07:47 PM
 
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I think that, yes, a much higher percentage of Americans do pay SS taxes and the Health Premium should be taxed like SS is- everybody pays and everybody plays. Actually I think more people should pay Federal Income taxes too. Only those who earn less than $24,000 a year should not pay income taxes.
We'll see. Obama has led a lot of people to believe their healthcare was going to be "affordable" (whatever that means) so I'm sure low middle class and lower earners will be claiming that they can't afford to pay any premiums. Will we see another earned income tax credit type deal for health insurance premiums?

Again this leads us to why is Obama pushing something that he doesn't have a plan developed for? Get the plan going first, then try to sell us on it. We don't need town hall meetings to convince us that some people are having problems paying for health care
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Old 06-11-2009, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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As soon as the government politicians make the case that they are paying for our health care, they will start bossing us around the same as 0bama is doing with the auto companies and any company that took TARP or bailout money.

Sorry, but I do not want the government looking upon the money going into our health care as "a burden on the taxpayers and the national health care system", and deciding it has a legitimate claim to mandating changes in my our style, our food, our weight, or recreation activities.
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Old 06-11-2009, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I agree with KevK. Witholding a health premium from everyones paycheck is a great idea to fund healthcare and will take a great burden off of the employers. Removing this burden is exactly what the administration says is holding back a growing economy and therefore growing workforce.
And its why the democrats find themselves in league with the big corporations with this 0bama care plan.

Curious isnt it, how chummy 0bama, big corporations and Wall Street are with each other. 0bama has surrounded himself and his administration, with Wall Street elites and fat cats corporate types. I wonder if the left even realizes this at all.
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Old 06-11-2009, 07:55 PM
 
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I agree with KevK. Witholding a health premium from everyones paycheck is a great idea to fund healthcare and will take a great burden off of the employers. Removing this burden is exactly what the administration says is holding back a growing economy and therefore growing workforce.
The question that needs to be answered is how much of your paycheck will be withheld. How can anyone make a rational decision on a plan that doesn't even tell you its cost?

It will be interesting to see if we are given the information on what we will each be expected to pay for this plan, including for all of the subsidized people, BEFORE the plan is passed. Right now I'm betting the answer is NO.
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