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Old 06-12-2009, 01:38 PM
 
Location: I currently exist only in a state of mind. one too complex for geographic location.
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The AB exists outside of prison as well...and are white supremacists. Sounds like some right wingers I know.
no it doesn't.
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Old 06-12-2009, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Encyclopedia Dramatica (Looking for LULZ)
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Wow, this exact-same discussion is going on in other forums as well. Is he left-wing or right-wing? He's "leftist" because he's against Israel. Or is he "rightist" because he used violence.

The other forum concluded that right-wing/left-wing doesn't apply, and neither does liberal/conservative. He is part of an ideology that splits things into PRO-Jewish and ANTI-Jewish. On this spectrum he was deffo ANTI-Jewish. I can't speak for him, but I'd suspect that he'd group Repubs/Dems/Libs/Cons into the PRO-camp.

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Old 06-12-2009, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Rural Northern California
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The Nazis were fascists. While fascism borrows from both leftist and rightist ideologies, it's generally classified as a rightist movement because of its extreme nationalist overtones. Extreme nationalism is generally reflective of right-wing rhetoric.
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fas⋅cism  [fash-iz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1.(sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2.(sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3.(initial capital letter) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43
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na⋅tion⋅al⋅ism  [nash-uh-nl-iz-uhm, nash-nuh-liz-] Show IPA
–noun
1. national spirit or aspirations.
2. devotion and loyalty to one's own nation; patriotism.
3. excessive patriotism; chauvinism.
4. the desire for national advancement or independence.
5. the policy or doctrine of asserting the interests of one's own nation, viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations.
6. an idiom or trait peculiar to a nation.
7. a movement, as in the arts, based upon the folk idioms, history, aspirations, etc., of a nation.
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right wing 
–noun
1. members of a conservative or reactionary political party, or those opposing extensive political reform.
2. such a political party or a group of such parties.
3. that part of a political or social organization advocating a conservative or reactionary position: The union's right wing favored a moderate course of action.
Based on these three definitions, I don't see how you can associate Fascism or nationalism with right wing policies. Some right wing individuals are nationalists, but so are some on the left wing. And actually, since the status quo in the United States is small-government democracy and individual liberty, the conservative or 'reactionary' position is to maintain that or to stay the course, where the left wing or 'liberal' position would be to pursue any means necessary to enact change, including but not limited to big government intervention. Indeed, fascism shares far more in common with what we associate today as modern causes of the Democratic party.

First, Fascists believe that the government is best suited to right social injustice, fix economic problems, maintain heavy handed law and order, etc. Modern 'true' conservatives reject all of these tenants. Second, we come to the problem of nationalism, which of course is the hallmark of Fascism, but Fascist nationalism and modern conservative (which is truly more a form of classical liberalism) nationalism are very, very different. Fascism first and foremost is a collectivist ideology. To a fascist, nationalism implies love for the country as a whole, that is, even (and often especially) at the expense of individualism (and typically promotes one group or race as the 'best' and that others should strive to be like them). American conservative nationalism is a different animal entirely, and while it shares elements of national excpetionalism, it stresses a commitment to individual freedom and liberty as separating and elevating the United States above foreign nations. Also, extreme (statist) nationalism is trait shared by many communist countries.
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Soviet Russia:

YouTube - soviet army parade


YouTube - Soviet National Anthem. Red Square (1987)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming that todays Democrats are fascists, but to say that American conservatives have any more in common with Fascism than American liberals is ridiculous. Nationalism isn't unique to either political philosophy.
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Old 06-12-2009, 01:39 PM
 
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Yeah okay, sure it's not...that's why the GOP is virtually all white.
so is lewis county washington. you know what they say about people who live in glass houses right?
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Old 06-12-2009, 01:39 PM
 
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Being a white supremacist isn't left or right, not in the slightest. It's anti freedom in general.

Y'all need to get your heads examined.
It's anti-a lot of things.

What is it that white supremacists associate with white pigmentation that is so special and precious, yet so susceptible to being corrupted? What is the reason why the races should remain "pure"?
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Old 06-12-2009, 01:41 PM
 
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Being a white supremacist isn't left or right, not in the slightest. It's anti freedom in general.

Y'all need to get your heads examined.
Right wing = authoritarian

Authoritarian = anti freedom

Therefore, white supremacy is right wing (in general)
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Old 06-12-2009, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Right wing = authoritarian

Authoritarian = anti freedom

Therefore, white supremacy is right wing (in general)
A cat = 4 limbs

A human = 4 limbs

Therefore, a cat = a human.
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Old 06-12-2009, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Yeah okay, sure it's not...that's why the GOP is virtually all white.
Wow.
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Old 06-12-2009, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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The National Socialists were fascist. Not socialists. They were an extreme nationalistic organization that borrowed from both left-wing and right-wing ideologies. Their profound nationalistic rhetoric as well as their ideal of a pure Aryan race places them on the right, as most historians and social scientists agree. The Nazi's actively put the socialists of their era in concentration camps. They had no patience with those Social Democrats, Heil Hitler!
The Nazis had a problem with both left and right wing people, just like this nutcase did.

Therefore, these people are neither left NOR right.

Period.
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Old 06-12-2009, 01:49 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Oh, and FYI, the shooter himself said he voted for McCain.
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