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Old 06-12-2009, 07:40 AM
 
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I guess you haven't been keeping abreast of the news. The guy is a leftist - pure and simple. And I believe also a registered democrat (being confirmed).
" In general, left implies a commitment to egalitarianism, support for a 'liberal' social policy and multiculturalism. The contemporary left usually defines itself as promoting government regulation of business, commerce, and industry; protection of fundamental rights (especially freedom of speech and separation of church and state); and government intervention on behalf of racial, ethnic, and sexual minorities and the poor."

That's him!
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Old 06-12-2009, 07:42 AM
 
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Well then, you need to look into it a little before embarrassing yourself. Have you read any of his musings? We know a little about him;



All of the above = leftist.
I've actually read his musings. Have you?

It's not about WHO he hates, it's about WHY he hates them.

And he uses the term "socialism", but read how he defines it. He's co-opted a word, he's not a socialist in any way.
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Old 06-12-2009, 07:44 AM
 
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The mans own words identify him as an anti-reigious, advocate of socialism i.e. left winger.
How exactly was he a socialist?

Many right wingers are "anti-religious" and many left wingers are committed to their religions with all their hearts.

Please just put the Kool-Aid down and try to think straight.
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Old 06-12-2009, 07:45 AM
 
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The mans own words identify him as an anti-reigious, advocate of socialism i.e. left winger.
Actually read the words and how he uses them. He's not an advocate of socialism. He's an advocate of what he calls "Western socialism". It bears no resemblance to what is customarily considered socialism. And while he may hate O'Reilly, he hates Marx, too.
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Old 06-12-2009, 07:58 AM
 
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- LIARS, MURDERERS,RATS, AND THIEVES. James von Brunn (http://www.arsenalofhypocrisy.com/blog/?p=537 - broken link)

Looks like liberals do have something in common with the man.


And yet liberals try to brainwash people into believing the very false lie White supremacists are basically cheerleaders for the Fox News Channel and the Republican Party.

If you do some researching of threads on Stormfront you will see that they hate the GOP and the FNC as much as liberals do.
The biggest problem with this thread is you lose all credibility when you start using hate websites as sources. Admitting you spend time "doing research" on a well-known Nazi website doesn't make your case stronger.
White Supremacists and Nationalists have their own ideology and from what we have been reading from members of those groups on this very same forum (no need to go to their site because they have been coming here!!!) We can deduce they don't belong to either party. Nonetheless, since minorities tend to be heavily Democrats I'm inclined to believe that any neo-Nazi group would HATE Democrats and cast them as traitors. However, using the same analogy you also have black and Hispanic Republican politicians so I think Nazis will also think the Republican Party is full of traitors. See? These groups are equal opportunity hate groups; they hate anyone who isn't white and doesn't believe in "the higher white race" regardless of political affiliation.

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Old 06-12-2009, 08:03 AM
 
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Let's set the record strait, as I've seen this line of thinking pop up around here a lot recently. Now, I'm not really sure if the above posts are an attempt at over the top sarcasm or not, but it doesn't really matter for purpose of my post.

Hitler and the Nazis were not right wing extremists in any way, shape, or form, and the vast majority of their philosophies and beliefs conflict deeply with true conservatism, and for the most part, also with what has been called modern 'neoconservatism.' The Nazi's supported gun control, didn't believe in individual property rights, didn't believe in the established organized religions, were socialists, were not fans of freedom or liberty, believed that the state owned the people, forced people to have abortions (and forcefully prevented others from doing so), were vehemently anti-capitalism, etc. In fact, the word "nazi" was slang for the term "to nationalize," as the official name for Hitler's chronies was the "National Socialist German Workers Party." During the Third Reich, those who spoke out against the Third Reich were labeled as 'reactionary conservatives' (sound familiar?).

The only reason that anybody believes that the Nazis are 'right-wing extremists' is because of a misguided need to have an opposite extreme to counterbalance communism on the political spectrum. The fact is, both nazism and communism are extreme left-wing philosophies, although it just so happens that the Nazis hated the Communists (and vice-versa). In truth, they're different heads of the same coin.

Now, you can draw vague similarities between fascism and neoconservatism (though not true conservatism), but you can also draw vague similarities between fascism and modern liberalism. In that same vain, the argument that conservatives are 'anti-diversity' and (modern progressive) liberals 'embrace' diversity is laughable, at best. One the primary tenants of conservatism is individualism. I know it has become overused lately as a right-wing talking point, but the smallest minority truly is the individual. Democrats (many, not all) tend to view institutionalized racism as not only tolerable, but indeed often times preferable. Take affirmative action for example: how can any policy that would assign greater merit to an individual based only on the color of their skin be anything but racist? The best defense that you can make for it is that it somehow corrects for inequality in starting conditions, but it fails to account for the fact that the people that get 'screwed' by the system had nothing to do with said original inequality, and their only crime is having been born into a place of better standing. What's the moral of the story here? Racism is okay as long it's done by the government? Also, going back in history, which party was responsible for the Jim Crow Laws and the segregated South? The Democrats. Which party filibustered the civil rights acts of 1957, 1960, and 1964? The Democrats. Which party did FDR belong to when he signed Executive Order 9066, which sent 120,000 Japanese (most of them citizens) to internment camps for the duration of world war 2? Democrat.

Does this mean that there are no racist conservatives? Clearly no, but to claim that somehow the left is above racism and that to be racist one has to be on the right is completely and totally false. We would be wise to take heed:

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

What happened to this? Does Dr. King sound like somebody who would be in favor of affirmative action? I honestly don't know if he was either way, but it seems like he'd be the first to advocate a color-blind society, which is not something modern Liberals seem to be comfortable with.
The Nazis were fascists. While fascism borrows from both leftist and rightist ideologies, it's generally classified as a rightist movement because of its extreme nationalist overtones. Extreme nationalism is generally reflective of right-wing rhetoric.
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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James Von Brunn Hates Bill O'Reilly, George W. Bush, John McCain, And Rupert Murdoch
Who doesn't?
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:09 AM
 
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Was the thug in Oakland that murdered 4 cops a right wing extremist? That cant be right...the right wing is all white guys remember?
Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice would beg to differ.
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:23 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice would beg to differ.
Colin Powell has been disowned by the right, remember?
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:32 AM
 
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Colin Powell has been disowned by the right, remember?
And I'll bet THAT made a tear run right down his leg.
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