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Old 06-11-2009, 09:32 PM
 
Location: NC
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Sounds like an ABC (Anything but Cannabis) tenth amendment article. Medical marijuana alone is arguably one of the biggest single issues in states rights today and the article says nothing not even a mention. I wonder if it is because FOX news doesn't like that part of the tenth amendment.
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Old 06-11-2009, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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No, it's a court decision summarized in English, which unfortunately for our democracy, is standing law until it is reversed.

Amd your ignoring this is a fatal flaw for your argument that there is any "Left Wing", or even objective media in this country.
we are not a democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic, yes there is a HUGE difference.
A democracy is a form of government run by a group, and makes laws on the whims of the people, Quite easily they get distracted and enact laws based on the emotions of the day.

A Constitutional Republic is run by LAW, it is purposefully slow and methodical in its approach to creating new laws, to shelter it from the whims of daily emotion.
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Old 06-11-2009, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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It actually is, but under a VERY strict system to change it IE amendments being passed by 3/4 of the states. Well the article states that 35 of the 50 states are moving to pass this kind of legislation, So 3/4 of the states are wishing to reassert an already existing amendment. To me, the states have spoken, The federal government must give the power given to the states back.
That's what I'm trying to get the other person's thick skull. Amendments exist for the purpose of altering the constitution, because the founding fathers were not God. To suggest the existing core values of the constitution are somehow "organic" is tin foil hattery extremism.
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Old 06-11-2009, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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It actually is, but under a VERY strict system to change it IE amendments being passed by 3/4 of the states. Well the article states that 35 of the 50 states are moving to pass this kind of legislation, So 3/4 of the states are wishing to reassert an already existing amendment. To me, the states have spoken, The federal government must give the power given to the states back.
I agree.

You know, it doesn't make any difference how much one cares to copy and paste and copyright infringe while doing it, the states were always supposed to rule the day.

The Fed is/was secondary ... always ... whenever the states were concerned.

If the Fed was supposed to be in charge of everything, the United States would have ceased to exist long before 1899.
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Old 06-11-2009, 09:40 PM
 
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we are not a democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic, yes there is a HUGE difference.
A democracy is a form of government run by a group, and makes laws on the whims of the people, Quite easily they get distracted and enact laws based on the emotions of the day.

A Constitutional Republic is run by LAW, it is purposefully slow and methodical in its approach to creating new laws, to shelter it from the whims of daily emotion.
That's just silly BS.

A republic (constitutional or not) is just a representitive democracy.

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...&ct=clnk&gl=us


. In the United States Founding Fathers like James Madison defined republic in terms of representative democracy as opposed to direct democracy[7],
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Old 06-11-2009, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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That's just silly BS.

A republic (constitutional or not) is just a representitive democracy.

Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


. In the United States Founding Fathers like James Madison defined republic in terms of representative democracy as opposed to direct democracy[7],
nice that you found out how to use Google, but you are still lacking in the search

I said CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, not Republic. There is a difference which I will demonstrate in the same way you seem to. Here is a link

Constitutional republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

but a constitutional republic in which majority rule is tempered by minority rights protected by law."[5]

A constitutional republic is a state where the head of state and other officials are elected as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens. In a constitutional republic, executive, legislative, and judicial powers are separated into distinct branches and the will of the majority of the population is tempered by protections for individual rights so that no individual or group has absolute power. The fact that a constitution exists that limits the government's power makes the state constitutional. That the head(s) of state and other officials are chosen by election, rather than inheriting their positions, and that their decisions are subject to judicial review makes a state republican.


in short, Constitutional Republic, which has some similarities to a Democracy, is NOT, it is a government of LAW, not the emotional whims of a few over the many
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Old 06-11-2009, 09:53 PM
 
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That's why an amendment process was in place (ergo, abolition of slavery by uber-racist Lincoln). If Obama had some b*lls, he'd try to push an amendment to justify his insane policies.

Nope, it's still extremist. Since the concept of amending the constitution exists already and the founders never wrote a provision for the core to be changed willy nilly, anyone who suggests the core of the constitution is somehow "living" is pretty much a fruitcake.
The living constitution is an extremist view only to extremists.

Slavery was ended by the Union Army before any act of congress could terminate it.

And in the 30's, NO amendments were used to give the Feds permission to alter our legal system from a basic precident-anchored one into a statue-based system.

That was done for the most basic of reasons: survival of the capitalist system.

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Old 06-11-2009, 09:57 PM
 
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nice that you found out how to use Google, but you are still lacking in the search

I said CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, not Republic. There is a difference which I will demonstrate in the same way you seem to. Here is a link

Constitutional republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

but a constitutional republic in which majority rule is tempered by minority rights protected by law."[5]

A constitutional republic is a state where the head of state and other officials are elected as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens. In a constitutional republic, executive, legislative, and judicial powers are separated into distinct branches and the will of the majority of the population is tempered by protections for individual rights so that no individual or group has absolute power. The fact that a constitution exists that limits the government's power makes the state constitutional. That the head(s) of state and other officials are chosen by election, rather than inheriting their positions, and that their decisions are subject to judicial review makes a state republican.


in short, Constitutional Republic, which has some similarities to a Democracy, is NOT, it is a government of LAW, not the emotional whims of a few over the many
You might want to argue that very minute difference with Madison, etc.

But don't be surprised if he laughs in your face.

For what you utterly fail to understand is how law formulation and implememtation works in a representitive democracy (e.g., a republic)- one either backed with a set of written rules (like ours) or not.

Hey, wait a minute!

I"m not sure you understand just how silly your post is, Because Madison was the chief architect of..... our Constitution!!!!


So, you might just want to defer to what he says in my post above (via Wikipedia "Republic")
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Old 06-11-2009, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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You might want to argue that very minute difference with Madison, etc.

But don't be surprised if he laughs in your face.

For what you utterly fail to understand is how law formulation and implememtation works in a representitive democracy (e.g., a republic)- one either backed with a set of written rules (like ours) or not.
Madison's most distinctive belief was that the new republic needed checks and balances to protect individual rights from the tyranny of the majority a Democracy is a RULE BY MAJORITY We are not that.
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Old 06-11-2009, 10:09 PM
 
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Madison's most distinctive belief was that the new republic needed checks and balances to protect individual rights from the tyranny of the majority a Democracy is a RULE BY MAJORITY We are not that.
Defacto, we have reverted back to a plutocracy- just like in the 1890's.

But I'm afraid the Checks and Balances had more to do with preventing one branch of government from dominating the system.

What was there to protect the rights of the minority was expressed in the Bill of Rights and the Electoral College- the latter being the "right" of the wealthy to overturn the result of any presidential election they did not like.

Although they have never had the cojones to do it THAT way.
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