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Old 09-22-2009, 11:18 PM
 
Location: southern california
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ah but they did learn. DOD likes war and if you wana get reelected you gota feed the beast, and he is hongry.
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Old 09-23-2009, 05:24 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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ah but they did learn. DOD likes war and if you wana get reelected you gota feed the beast, and he is hongry.
So the Department of Defense is into army stuff, weapons, etc.....that's interesting, I didn't realize they did that....and you gotta feed the war beast to get re-elected. Interesting theory, you should discuss it with Bush Sr.....he involved the country in a very short, very successful (if there is such a thing) war that accomplished the stated goal of pushing Iraq out of Kuwait (and nothing more) and with the support of the U.N. along with most of the world.....it doesn't get much better than that when you're talking about a war and guess what, he didn't get re-elected.
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Old 09-23-2009, 05:57 AM
 
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You cant compare WW11 in any way to Iraq or Afganistan. WW11 was real war. A war where we secured our borders and looked for people here that could do us harm,Not true today
Try telling our Marines and soldiers fighting and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan that they are not involved in a real war. Because those two war theaters do not conform to the pattern of WWII doesn't mean they are not real wars. They're just different. Every war is different.
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Old 09-23-2009, 06:27 AM
 
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Try telling our Marines and soldiers fighting and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan that they are not involved in a real war. Because those two war theaters do not conform to the pattern of WWII doesn't mean they are not real wars. They're just different. Every war is different.
Try telling those solider in Iraq that they are really there because of the huge piles of WMD's laying everywhere. Try telling them as they walk down the streets not knowing if today is the day their head will explode from a 7.62x39mm shot from the kid they just gave a Hershey bar too. Explain to them why their wives are struggling to make a mortgage payment while the guy across the street from Blackwater is making 20 times as much for doing a lesser job then he. Let them know that only 20 or so people died from electrocution in the shower because of shoddy work a contractor did and who make more in 6 months than he will make in two tours of duty.

They are are most certainly real wars, but what must go through the minds of a 20 something soldier on his third 12-15 month tour when he asks himself, why am I really here. He will do his duty but he will also wonder why.

No, you are right, these wars are nothing like WWII, because when our boys come home, whenever that may be, Iraq will still be just as we found it or worse. We may be able to 'light them up' but we will never be able to enlighten them through force of arms.
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Old 09-23-2009, 07:20 AM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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Best of luck telling the average American that the reason we are in Afghanistan and Iraq fighting wars and occupying nations is due to the central bank.

I don't think the "average American" has any clue whatsoever as to the fact that the shareholders who own our Central Bank have funded both sides of every war we have been in since the passage fo the Federal Reserve Act. I don't think that the "average American" has any idea that we, and most of the rest of the world, could not have been in any of the wars since the mid-18th century without funding from, and supplying profit to, these people. That is why I am posting such things here. Maybe at least a small portion of them will look into the matter on their own just out of simple curiosity.
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Old 09-23-2009, 07:22 AM
 
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We did to stop being the police men of the world and nation building mostly doesn't work and can only think of three cases where it has. Germany,Japan,S. Korea. we need to realize what has work for us for over 200yrs.May not or can not work for others.Our war isn't with the taliban.it's with bin laden and his crew and their ever where in the world.when we leave afghanastian it go back to the way it was before .A tribal war nation. We need to be only cocerned with commerce with the world and go to war when we only in truly in danger or attacked. the war with bin laden is a dirty war fought in the shadows it need to be fought by the CIA and SPEACIL OPS. not by conventional forces. Open end wars drag us down and waste lives.
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Old 09-23-2009, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Do you understand the difference between a just and necessary war and invading a sovereign nation who was not attacking anyone?

And I shouldn't have to repeat this again, but I will:

We were dragged, kicking and screaming, into WWII.

I think most people would agree that Vietnam was an unnecessary war, so was every conflict Pres. Clinton got us involved with, and while I understand the reasoning behind going into Iraq, and it just may work out that way, Pres. Bush did not make a good case for invading Iraq.

Afghanistan was a mess we helped create, by abandoning the people after the USSR pulled out. By entering into Iraq, and concentrating our efforts there, we allowed the current mess to develop in Afghanistan. Now it looks like 0bama may be looking to divert attention from concentrating in Afghanistan, he does not even want to speak of ďvictoryĒ in Afghanistan, much less define what it means to his generals, so they can plan to accomplish it.
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Old 09-23-2009, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Norwood, MN
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Try telling those solider in Iraq that they are really there because of the huge piles of WMD's laying everywhere. Try telling them as they walk down the streets not knowing if today is the day their head will explode from a 7.62x39mm shot from the kid they just gave a Hershey bar too. Explain to them why their wives are struggling to make a mortgage payment while the guy across the street from Blackwater is making 20 times as much for doing a lesser job then he. Let them know that only 20 or so people died from electrocution in the shower because of shoddy work a contractor did and who make more in 6 months than he will make in two tours of duty.

They are are most certainly real wars, but what must go through the minds of a 20 something soldier on his third 12-15 month tour when he asks himself, why am I really here. He will do his duty but he will also wonder why.

No, you are right, these wars are nothing like WWII, because when our boys come home, whenever that may be, Iraq will still be just as we found it or worse. We may be able to 'light them up' but we will never be able to enlighten them through force of arms.
Very good points. The best way to fight terrorism is to pull out of those countries and make sure our borders are IRONCLAD. And that means keeping the illegal mexicans out too!
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Old 09-23-2009, 08:05 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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The lesson our leaders didn't learn from Vietnam is to stop listening to the media and armchair generals and to fight the war like it needs to be fought. They're too worried about their poll ratings and let that get in the way of fighting a war.
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Old 09-23-2009, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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The lesson our leaders didn't learn from Vietnam is to stop listening to the media and armchair generals and to fight the war like it needs to be fought. They're too worried about their poll ratings and let that get in the way of fighting a war.
Bush forgot that lesson too, as he let civilians like Rumsfeld run the war, and it was not until he said screw Rummy and listened to the generals, that Iraq turned around.
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