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Old 02-24-2010, 11:26 AM
Location: McKinleyville, California
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Originally Posted by LoneSentinel View Post
maybe this has been discussed already, but this is my opinion on the issue -

Americans - no matter the state - look at "marriage" as a traditional institution of one man and one woman (look at Prop 8 in California and recently Maine). This is not to say that most Americans wish to keep the gay man as as second class citizen as a whole (yes, I do believe that geographical location really is a factor in the general consensus on the subject). But most people were raised by their biological parents - who were one man and one woman - and the large majority of these parents were married, at least at one time.

Love and marriage envisioned together within American society (on a general level) has always been heterosexual. Do you deny that the acceptance of homosexuality as not an unhealthy societal movement only began to take hold within the last 2 decades? I think that it will continue to move further and further into an accepted place in society, and dissenting ideas will be considered less and less healthy. But acceptance of gay marriage, with marriage still having as much religeous (often anti-gay) connotations as it does, civil unions for gay and the push to make all marriages civil unions seems a quicker route to acceptance to me. If gays gave the religeous right 'their word', I really do think that it would progress much faster for them when it comes to this issue as the majority of the country wishes to be anti-bigot/anti-discrimination, and a sizeable amount of religeon presently leans toward the opposite of that.

As soon as the movement changes it's direction for civil unions to be synonymous to marriage (possibly pushing for a law to change the word marriage to civil union for all legal purposes), I think they then will get what they desire.

Do you find fault with my logic?
I find a whole lot of fault with your logic; first of all is the " religious right " also wants to prevent civil unions and domestic partnerships for gays and lesbians which you neglected to mention. We are supposed to be country that keeps religion separate from our politics, not one that bends to its will. And could you please define what is so "unhealthy" about gay marriage? It has already been proven that marriage and commitment are healthy for anyone regardless of sex or sexual orientation.

Another is that many people of this current generation are not and have not been raised by their biological parents, but by one or more step parents. Divorce has broken up the nuclear family and if anything has encouraged infidelity in straight marriages.

Many people do want to keep the LGBTQ people as second class, they want to prevent us from being teachers, doctors or parents, besides banning us from marrying the person we love and want to commit to.
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Old 02-24-2010, 11:26 AM
Location: Colorado
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Originally Posted by AnUnidentifiedMale View Post
I agree with you, but one of the problems is that civil unions have been banned in 18 states. Civil unions are already legal in 9 states, and same-sex marriage is legal in 5 additional states. So, that leaves 18 states where civil unions are an option.

Keep in mind that there's not a monolithic opinion among gays on this issue. There are probably millions of gays who would like to see civil unions legalized nationwide.

The legal process is messy, and the battle is state-by-state, so that makes it even harder to have a unified movement on this issue.
Please repost in my new thread...this one is a bit long...
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Old 02-24-2010, 04:26 PM
Location: south coast near Vancouver
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Lonesentinel, a link to your new thread would be great. In the meantime...the religious straights ( I say religious straights as there are a fair number of religious gays - something that also evades them in their thinking) do not own marriage.
Ask any married STRAIGHT ATHEIST, which the religious interestingly don't flip out over. *wink*
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