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I don't see how anyone who isn't working for the Iranian government can really know with certainty what the true results were. But it doesn't matter, Ahmadinejad is sufficiently popular with enough of his country that he won't be toppled from power. The only silver lining is that the Iranian presidency is fairly constitutionally weak. But we'll still have to see his stupid face on television...
Agreed. I don't think many people here realize the Iranian president's powers are limited to domestic issues - no matter who won the election, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and his clerics would have still controlled international policy.
That being said, the election outcome in Iran is probably the only way any real change will occur in that country - humans of all stripes have an innate disdain of injustice, tyranny and oppression.
No way that this is a legitimate election. Ahmadinejad has the military at his disposal. Now that his opponent has backed down, it will be a long wait for
the next election. Many Iranians, disgusted by the Ahmadinejad regime, will
turn out in even larger numbers; people tend to resent stolen elections.
If anyone is interested in helping out from afar, there are directions on this page regarding setting up a proxy (to help get around their gov censors).
Apparently this list of demands was circulated at the protests.
Quote:
7 point statement distributed among the protesters in Tehran today:
1. Dismissal of Khamenei for not being a fair leader
2. Dismissal of Ahmadinejad for his illegal acts
3. Temporary appointment of Ayatollah Montazeri as the Supreme Leader
4. Recognition of Mousavi as the President
5. Forming the Cabinet by Mousavi to prepare for revising the Constitution
6. unconditional and immediate release of all political prisoners
7. Dissolution of all organs of repression, public or secret
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I sawq some video on TV and a expert who was actually showing what the colred flag meant and there were protseters form boht candidates in those crowds. I thnik it may endup like those in china where they let it get so far and then crackdown .I saw a show were they interviewed amnny of the protestors in china and most sadi that they had decided that protest was too dangerous and that they decide to concentrate on making it in the commercial world instead. Much like many in the 60's that turned from hippie to yupeee that I witinessed.
One grand ayatollah, one of the highest-ranking clerics, issued a religious order demanding his followers not cooperate with President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's government.
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A young cleric from the Shiite holy city of Qom addressed the crowd. "I have come to bring you a message from Qom," he said. "Without a doubt, all clerical scholars are against the current situation. The only person acceptable to them is Mr. Mousavi, they have rejected Mr. Ahmadinejad's request to meet them in the past two days."
Agreed. I don't think many people here realize the Iranian president's powers are limited to domestic issues - no matter who won the election, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and his clerics would have still controlled international policy.
That being said, the election outcome in Iran is probably the only way any real change will occur in that country - humans of all stripes have an innate disdain of injustice, tyranny and oppression.
I dunno - i think Rafsanjani may stir the pot for Khamenei... Raf sits as head of the Assembly of Experts and their job is to make sure the Supreme Leader is doing his job... Raf isn't too happy with Khamenei or Ahmadinejad and might just be looking to get the 2/3 majority needed to topple Khamenei... once Khamenei is out Ahmadinejad is decapitated. Raf is also a billionaire and the richest man in Iran and isn't liking the ultra-conservative and isolationist turn the country is taking - its not good for his pocket book either.
There's speculation that Ahmedijinad's fled the country.
Looks like there may be another Iranian Revolution.
I'm watching press tv on livestation.
I get the impression he went to Russia as a photo op.
Something to impress upon the protesters that the international community accepts him as president. A simple demoralizing technique, maybe.
Is Ahmadinejad's exit an alarming sign? There are a slew of reports coming in about new violence in Iran. I've been trying to sift through and find as much evidence as possible. In the meantime, however, reader Salim makes a critical point about the apparent newly-aggressive crackdown: "not surprised...they will want to crush this now, before it gets out of hand... and Ahmadinejad is out of country so it would not reflect on him...this is probably well orchestrated." Not clear if this is the case, of course, but well worth considering.
As thousands took to the streets again on Tuesday, Iran's government banned international journalists from covering rallies and blocked access to some online communication tools in the wake of last week's disputed presidential election.
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Iran's all-powerful leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, appealed to the citizenry on Tuesday to stand behind the Islamic republic.
"Some people are against the unity of the Iranian nation and the solidarity of the Islamic system," Khamenei said in a meeting with representatives of the four presidential candidates, government-funded Press TV reported.
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Iranian government-run television was not affected by the media restrictions. It aired live coverage of Tuesday's rally in support of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose supporters crowded the streets of central Tehran.
Meanwhile, Iran's Guardian Council -- an unelected panel of 12 top clerics and judges -- agreed Tuesday to recount some votes in the disputed presidential election. But Moussavi asked instead for fresh elections.
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