Global Warming Didn't Exist In The US Until 1979! (cost, dollar, bias)

[odanny]

Originally Posted by rlchurch

We don't have to do all this; all we have to do is live responsibly. I buy electricity from renewable resources, I've insulated my house, when I put a new roof on this year I chose shingles with a high albedo, I take public transportation into work. All in all, while I live a reasonably opulent lifestyle, I have a very modest carbon footprint. It's about wise choices, not freezing in the dark.

Thats outstanding. If everyone were to follow your example, or at least make the effort, we could start actually reducing the greenhouse gases we all spew into the atmosphere. Its the little things, but more importantly, its the attitude and heightened awareness that brings about incremental change. And without this we won't put the priority on renewable energy.

I wonder if people even realize the planet has, roughly, about 37 years left of oil (if demand remains constant, which it wont) and as these reserves continue to shrink, the demand for them will get increasingly desperate

[mississauga75]

Originally Posted by odanny

Thats some shaky logic. Sounds kind of like the Red Army is at the gates of the Fuhrer bunker and we all might as well have fun while we can.

The truth is, experts have said its not too late, but we are approaching a tipping point. We cannot delay any longer.

Who are we? If you are speaking of we as a global collective and If we are approaching a tipping point than China and India will inevitably tip it regardless of American leadership.. shaky logic or realistic outcome?

The most logical thing any nation can do is invest in infrastructure and programs with two goals

protect the masses and if not plausible to move masses of individuals into protective zones.

[odanny]

Originally Posted by mississauga75

Who are we? If you are speaking of we as a global collective and If we are approaching a tipping point than China and India will inevitably tip it regardless of American leadership.. shaky logic or realistic outcome?

Shaky logic. Your response is to throw in the towel and try and outproduce China and India in pollution (of which we presently do).

We have a chance to lead the world, and inevitably, it will become necessary. We can start now, or we can start later.

Of course Bush/Cheney wanted to start later, they are both oilmen. Look at their stock portfolios

[mississauga75]

Originally Posted by odanny

Shaky logic. Your response is to throw in the towel and try and outproduce China and India in pollution (of which we presently do).

We have a chance to lead the world, and inevitably, it will become necessary. We can start now, or we can start later.

Of course Bush/Cheney wanted to start later, they are both oilmen. Look at their stock portfolios

I didn't say we should outproduce China.. I said that regardless of what our actions are - China and India will nullify those actions regardless of leadership. If we can in a progressive manner that won't impact the livelihood of our citizens, produce greener energies we should do it. However, if it is going to compromise competitiveness it will only hurt us not help - especially in light of the fact that the globe is interconnected environmentally.

American leadership is not going to change China and India - the sooner you get it through your head the better. According to you there won't be a later so why are you talking in future terms? Unless of course you don't buy the enviro doom and gloom scenario as brought to you by enviro fanatics of course!? Read any good books lately - like the book of Revelation....

[UpperPeninsulaRon]

Originally Posted by odanny

Of course Bush/Cheney wanted to start later, they are both oilmen. Look at their stock portfolios

Where can I find the content of their portfolios?

[Nomander]

Originally Posted by odanny

The truth is, experts have said its not too late, but we are approaching a tipping point. We cannot delay any longer.

I have heard this before... where was it.. oh thats right, it is usually what the used car salesman says when you tell him you want to think about it.

[odanny]

Originally Posted by UpperPeninsulaRon

Where can I find the content of their portfolios?

Try Iraq, I hear oil stocks are up

[odanny]

Originally Posted by mississauga75

I didn't say we should outproduce China.. I said that regardless of what our actions are - China and India will nullify those actions regardless of leadership.

Do you have a crystal ball?

Originally Posted by mississauga75

American leadership is not going to change China and India - the sooner you get it through your head the better. According to you there won't be a later so why are you talking in future terms? Unless of course you don't buy the enviro doom and gloom scenario as brought to you by enviro fanatics of course!? Read any good books lately - like the book of Revelation....

Oh, thats right, Jesus is coming soon so it doesnt matter anyway...

I'd say this conversation has officially jumped the shark

[mississauga75]

Originally Posted by odanny

Do you have a crystal ball?



Oh, thats right, Jesus is coming soon so it doesnt matter anyway...

I'd say this conversation has officially jumped the shark

No do you have a crystal ball??

I think it's logical to infer the U.S will not disuade China and India from burning fossil fuels in favour of environmentalism...

HAHA i dropped the book of revelation in there as sarcasm to draw a parallel between your doom and gloom scenario and that of another. However, you seem very quick to jump to conclusions anyway...

[Bluefly]

Originally Posted by Nomander

Really?

Congressional Report

Doesn't the sand get into your ears when you do that?

You certainly put a lot of faith in a report created by politicians who all have agendas.

You seem to have studied this issue in depth, yet the conclusions you draw and the sources you cite suggest that you entered this issue with a predetermined conclusion you sought to prove, rather than the other way around. I could be wrong - just judging by your posts.