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There is nothing wrong with saying we back the people. We certainly aren't going to back the present regime. I see where it's sticky as you say. Hell let Biden say it...
There's nothing wrong with saying we back the people, which is what Obama said. What McCain and others are doing is using language that is far too inelegant and will only make it easier for the government to marginalize the opposition.
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Originally Posted by BigJon3475
He said the people did it... What the President of Iran trying to do to the people? What did the Soviet Union do till Gorbachev? You do much history?
I'm sorry, I don't understand the phrasing and grammar of your question. If you could be more clear?
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Originally Posted by migee
With this type of mentality the whole world would be under dictatorship.
What would you have advised the civil rights demonstrators about 50 years ago?
Not even near the same situation. No intelligent comparison of the two dynamics can happen.
Relative? Christ woman. You need to be ashamed of yourself. Contemplate. This is Iranian justice: Gays Hanged in Iran (http://www.flickr.com/photos/50087332@N00/298265577/ - broken link) Stoning to DeathDeath for Apostasy Death By Crane Is Not Evil (http://irantoday.co.kr/photo/2007/09/23/iran_execution-thumb-510x446.jpg - broken link) 8 Women killed for adultry
You should shut your mouth as you are on the wrong side of history. The Supreme Council is an evil regime.
and were the preelection polls rigged? As I indicated.. Ahmadinejad had huge breadth of support. The only two groups that favoured Moussavi were uni students and the ultra-wealthy. You entirely discount the grassroots support Ahmadinejad had.
You weren't there to count the votes you don't know, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that Ahmadinejad had his support.
Of course he had support. I never said no one supported him. Many people know what happens to them if they didn't. I don't think as many would vote for him now. I'd like to see another election or count but that'll never happen as the last bit of light through the door shines (twitter) as the doors shut.
How do you know? What little that is coming out is very bad. Beatings, murders, arrests, a complete shutdown of communications - why do you think they are doing that?
So that when they really start cracking heads and bloodletting , no one on the outside will know.
I dunno, I'm getting a good bit through people that I know that are in Iran, and plenty through the internet. Sorry if I happen to keep up and you prefer to make assumptions.
Let them fight it, as I stated they don't need big brother America to step in, if US intervention would actually help someone like Mousavi would ask for it. Do you really think it would go over well at all if the US stepped in and had any hand in overthrowing their government and telling them how to run their show? If you do then you just don't understand how the Middle East operates (which frankly seems to be the case between you and other posters).
I'm sorry, I don't understand the phrasing and grammar of your question. If you could be more clear?
In that link where he tries to explain "wiped of the face of the map" he says it's like the Soviet Union. The people wiped the soviet union off the face of the map. Then he goes on trying to explain that's what he meant about Israel. Totally negating that now he is trying to silence dissent, close them off to the world and invoke some sort of martial law or revolutionary guard control whatever the name. You don't see the Irony? He mise well be mimicking the Soviet Unions actions.... Hence the
And if they ever do... Did you see all the women out in this thing. If they're killed for being raped what do you think this kind of disobedience calls for. You think it'll all just be swept aside?
As an American I believe that it is up to the people to forge their own destiny. You seem to believe that it is up to "big government of America". You also don't actually care about their freedom and are clearly more concerned with US interests based on your posts, so drop the Halloween costume.
What would you have advised the civil rights demonstrators about 50 years ago?
I'd've been marching with them, as they were protesting my own country. How is that relevant to the question of whether we have any business meddling in another country's election process?
In that link where he tries to explain "wiped of the face of the map" he says it's like the Soviet Union. The people wiped the soviet union off the face of the map. Then he goes on trying to explain that's what he meant about Israel. Totally negating that now he is trying to silence dissent, close them off to the world and invoke some sort of martial law or revolutionary guard control whatever the name. You don't see the Irony? He mise well be mimicking the Soviet Unions actions.... Hence the
I understand and I'm in no way a backer of Amadinejad or his brand.
As an American I believe that it is up to the people to forge their own destiny. You seem to believe that it is up to "big government of America". You also don't actually care about their freedom and are clearly more concerned with US interests based on your posts, so drop the Halloween costume.
Okay you got me and the rest of the world. We don't want to have to worry about some nut job who believes he is the means to end times and is actively moving towards nuclear weapons. We don't like the guy calling for wiping a state off the map. We don't like the holocaust denying as it's an insult to millions upon million upon millions of people. I guess I'll take it as you're in the opposition...
I'd've been marching with them, as they were protesting my own country. How is that relevant to the question of whether we have any business meddling in another country's election process?
The funny thing is that now that I think of it the situation does have one parallel if you look at it as if the North is one entity and the South was another. Southern politicians frequently invoked the argument that the whole movement was stirred up by Northerners in order to destabilize their society. And it convinced quite a lot of Southerners who would have otherwise been neutral to oppose it simply out of some perverted sense of Southern pride.
In the end, Northern intervention changed the South. But that's because it had the power to, because it was all one nation. In Iran, we don't have the power to do anything, so our opinions on what the situation should be are pretty irrelevant at best and counter productive at worst.
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You do much history?
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