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Old 06-17-2009, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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NOT if saying so literally endangers their cause and their very lives. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
Do you really believe that what people in foreign countries say will prevent or cause the Iranian regime to murder people, or not?

By your logic, the regime would never have picked up their clubs and guns to beat and kill people if just everybody would keep their mouth shut and let them carry on. Do you realize how utterly ridiculous, backward and naive this thought process is?

France, Germany, Japan and others nations have come out strongly condemning the actions of the Iranian government - are they to blame too?
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Old 06-17-2009, 05:26 PM
 
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Freedom only comes about when people are willing to risk their lives. Statements made by politicians do not affect the outcome of a regimes prelaid plans. A thought: crack abook instead of watching TV. Someone is being manipulated by messages conveyed in the media but I wouldn't say it's the Iranian government.
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Old 06-17-2009, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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And if McCain and others had kept their big traps shut, when they came out with allegations like this, we'd have a leg to stand on in denying it. Now we don't, thankyouverymuch!
Only a simpleton would not recognize the whole world is speaking up - including the mullahs IN Iran. I guess they should keep their mouths shut too.

WHY should we deny that we in fact condemn their actions? How absurd.
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Old 06-17-2009, 05:28 PM
 
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WASHINGTON - The US State Department urged the social networking website Twitter to delay scheduled maintenance that would have cut off access to Iranians as protests were erupting over the presidential election, an official said.

The State Department was concerned the Iranians would not be able to communicate the rapidly unfolding events in the country if Twitter went down for the maintenance.
US urged Twitter to keep running during Iran elections
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Old 06-17-2009, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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Nations that value democracy and fair and free elections have a duty to speak out against corruption and violence while people peaceably protest the stealing of elections.
OMG, you're kidding me! I had no idea people should have a duty to speak out against corruption!
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You're saying they should not have protested. That is their right to protest such a blatant attempt of a political coup.
Show me where I said anything even remotely of the sort.
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No one said anything until it was clear that bambam was going to sit on his hands with his finger up his butt, letting other nations step into the role that the US has historically played - speaking out in the face of tyrants and dictators.
And those bozos have now put the protesters' lives in even greater jeopardy than they might have been otherwise.
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Yet here you sit, laying blame on those that have said his response is inadequate, when in fact it is the Iranian regime that deserves the blame - they are the ones killing and beating protesters.
These are not mutually exclusive. It's entirely possible to blame the Iranian regime and still be outraged that players who have no business opening their pie holes are endangering the chances of the protesters to actually prevail.
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You have become a mouthpiece to spread their propaganda.
Better than being some other body part spewing ****.
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Old 06-17-2009, 05:30 PM
 
Location: OB
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Thanks, Congressman Boehner. Thanks all you other bigmouth blowhards. Way to risk people's lives.
It's people like you who allowed Hilter's violent aggression and resulting murder and genocide. Through your silent consent, you would have been just as guilty of his crimes. Talk about risking lives. Your theory is foolhardy. Step down off your righteous high horse and realize that evil people need to be confronted. Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil.
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Old 06-17-2009, 05:31 PM
 
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Freedom only comes about when people are willing to risk their lives. Statements made by politicians do not affect the outcome of a regimes prelaid plans. A thought: crack a book instead of watching TV. Someone is being manipulated by messages conveyed in the media but I wouldn't say it's the Iranian government.
That's not true at all. Reagan proved that over and over...
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Old 06-17-2009, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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It's people like you who allowed Hilter's violent aggression and resulting murder and genocide. Through your silent consent, you would have been just as guilty of his crimes. Talk about risking lives. Your theory is foolhardy. Step down off your righteous high horse and realize that evil people need to be confronted. Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil.
As a Jew, I take enormous offense at that allegation. I'd tell you what I'd like you to do but I'd rather avoid the infraction. Use your imagination.
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Old 06-17-2009, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Supreme irony, since these are the very people who decry the 'nanny' state here and call any 'intrusion' by our government into our own affairs 'socialism.'
Isn't this a bit of an exaggeration? No one is saying intervene in any way.

What most are saying is that obama's remarks, that he is "troubled" fall far short of an adequate response. Historically, the US has been on the side of those who have protested, been beaten and killed for not allowing a corrupt government to steal their votes.

I guess that is no more in the time of obama. He is on the side of those that perpetrate the acts.
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Old 06-17-2009, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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It's people like you who allowed Hilter's violent aggression and resulting murder and genocide. Through your silent consent, you would have been just as guilty of his crimes. Talk about risking lives. Your theory is foolhardy. Step down off your righteous high horse and realize that evil people need to be confronted. Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil.
Excellent post and I agree that the mentality we see today is the same that appeased hitler.
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