Bailed out execs used jets for holidays

[leangk]

Originally Posted by pghquest

Its histerical that you would just announce your Canadian, and then pretend to have a flying fig knowledge about how "Conservatives" oppress us.. The humor in that will never be forgotten..

hmmmm.... its amazing. Im sorry. i totally forgot that people form other countries don't know whats happening outside their country and in Canada we definitely don't have a class just dedicated to american history... i also know nothing about WW2 except the battle Canada fought cause it wasnt in my country.

Originally Posted by pghquest

ooh the humor never ends.. You first complain about the free market "americans" have, and now your complaining about the lack of free market in Canada. You can talk about working your butt off to get somewhere in Canada, but ONLY if those positions arent given to someone of political influence, or rich. Have you thought about creating your own company? Noo, that would actually mean working harder than you already do to support your oppressive canadian government. And yes, I have friends who live there who are VERY successful DESPITE the government, not because of it.

i wasn;t complaining about the "lack of free market" dynasticism has nothing to do with free market!!! you can be an entrepreneur in any developed country free market or not!!! powerful positions are given to friends, family and bought off in all countries around the world, it isnt a "canadian trait"

Originally Posted by pghquest

We dont have to worry about that here either, by law EVERYONE in america receives medical care at a hospital regardless of their ability to pay. Maybe you've been listening to only liberal crap which says otherwise.

medical care maybe, but the huge debt afterwards can almost be as worse. the point is no one should pay for healthcare, we believe its a basic human right

Originally Posted by pghquest

Obviously you lack history knowledge of America. We were created to help each other by CHOICE, by not force. LOCAL government and LOCAL laws which dictate how much society will help one another.

no point in even arguing this one. you missed the entire point.

Originally Posted by pghquest

And dont think I have to go along with it. Its funny hearing a Canadian complain because they cant get a better job because of their oppresive government and "rich buying jobs", and then complain that Americans are not limited enough by government because the freedom idea is "old" and outdated.

i never said "freedom" and your obviously trying to twist words. your interpretation here is as bad as your last one. government regulation has nothing to do with the rich staying rich. it happens in both country. free market and regulated.. the issue here is the rich abusing power, despite the economic system

Originally Posted by pghquest

Those "free" lands were bought off the government, not FREE, and along with them came obligations to LOCAL governments, not federal. What is your point, that because there is no more "free land" that we should now support people who want other stuff "free"?

omg, this keeps getting worse. when you speak of "buying", it really doesn't count if they bought it for a thousandth of its real value. the point is that america was so prosperous, and developed its "individualist character" partly form its expansion westwards. now though that land has not become so readily available and people cant just "buy land an live on it", this idea that "ill do it myself and no one help eachother, is outdated. just like your ideas.



[quote=pghquest;9382085And they always will be. What you just criticized by your "buying a position" argument is because the elite get more elite as governments get more restrictive. Only freedoms and success of the individual make those "elite" no longer "elite"..

There was once a time when being a millionaire was considered "elite", now you need to be a billionaire, as times change, the definition changes, but that doesnt mean the elite are no longer elite, it just means that its more difficult to become one of them.[/QUOTE]

i never once mentioned the elite being more elite as the government becomes more restrictive. what i said was, it goes beyond border and economic and political type and policy. that these CEO's are not being held accountable. while thier companies are failing and weakening, and thousands being layed off, they have not cut their spending and continue to "use thier jets"

Did you every wonder why the US has sooo much money, but not the "best quality of life" from what ive seen on different sites the US ranges from 6th place, to not even top ten."

who cares how much money you have if it sucks to live in your country!!

when i look at the list, i keep seeing poorer, socialist countries ahead on the list... including Canada!!!! we must be doing something right!!!!!!!!!!!

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by leangk

hmmmm.... its amazing. Im sorry. i totally forgot that people form other countries don't know whats happening outside their country and in Canada we definitely don't have a class just dedicated to american history... i also know nothing about WW2 except the battle Canada fought cause it wasnt in my country.

So your now confessing you have poor schools and thats your excuse?

Originally Posted by leangk

i wasn;t complaining about the "lack of free market" dynasticism has nothing to do with free market!!! you can be an entrepreneur in any developed country free market or not!!! powerful positions are given to friends, family and bought off in all countries around the world, it isnt a "canadian trait"

Bingo, and the more limited and "exclusive" the elite class is, the more of a problem it becomes.

Originally Posted by leangk

medical care maybe, but the huge debt afterwards can almost be as worse. the point is no one should pay for healthcare, we believe its a basic human right

No one should pay? Well hell, I'm all for it, Tell me why Canada has nearly $500,000,000,000 debt then? Come back when you have a balanced budget and tell me how no one is paying there either for care, and then come back and tell me when someone is denied medical treatment in Canada about their "rights".. HERE no one is denied treatment!!!

Originally Posted by leangk

i never said "freedom" and your obviously trying to twist words. your interpretation here is as bad as your last one. government regulation has nothing to do with the rich staying rich.

Ahh but government regulations do have EVERYTHING to do with limiting freedoms, maybe you need to have a family, children, house obligations etc before you undrestand this.

Originally Posted by leangk

now though that land has not become so readily available and people cant just "buy land an live on it",

Hogwash, people can and do still live like that.

Originally Posted by leangk

i never once mentioned the elite being more elite as the government becomes more restrictive. what i said was, it goes beyond border and economic and political type and policy. that these CEO's are not being held accountable. while thier companies are failing and weakening, and thousands being layed off, they have not cut their spending and continue to "use thier jets"

Which is why I opposed a governmental bailout of these companies but you seem to be ignoring that the GOVERNMENT caused and encouraged these economic problems, just like they cause and encourage our "economic health crisis"..

Originally Posted by leangk

Did you every wonder why the US has sooo much money, but not the "best quality of life" from what ive seen on different sites the US ranges from 6th place, to not even top ten."

who cares how much money you have if it sucks to live in your country!!

when i look at the list, i keep seeing poorer, socialist countries ahead on the list... including Canada!!!! we must be doing something right!!!!!!!!!!!

Wtf are you seeing this messed up data?

[texdav]

That is e=xactoly why teh bailout should never have happened.Governamnt has no business i businesss;plain and simple. Its liike what if they decided your unstable ;should they takeover your finances and then your car saying take a bus and then make you sell your house. No your economic situtation will do that if needed.

[HappyTexan]

These execs live in their own world. They do not have to worry about their jobs. They do not worry about recession. The money they spend is not their own. They do think they are above everyone else. And our government can't please them enough.

[georgia dem]

Originally Posted by Nomander

Obama used a jet for a one night date. Sorry, just putting things into perspective.

no kidding!
as long as Obama and his band of jesters spend like they are spending, no one needs to say a word
but come election, I hope folks will step up and speak out where it used to count, and hopefully one day will count again, in the voting booth.

[GloryB]

"If they have no bread, let them eat cake!"
I guess they all decided to take this quote literally.

[WillysB]

So much for congressional regulation. Where's Barney Frank when you really really need him?

[texdav]

Originally Posted by georgia dem

no kidding!
as long as Obama and his band of jesters spend like they are spending, no one needs to say a word
but come election, I hope folks will step up and speak out where it used to count, and hopefully one day will count again, in the voting booth.

Very good point. I thnik that iof you want to impoose theis on others then you need to have thongs imposed on you work site.

[texdav]

Obama and his spending on a one night date for air force 1 is a good point that he who points fingers should look at himself.Its the elite thing really in government ;same as it was with Pelosi and her wanting a bigger private jet .

[HappyTexan]

Originally Posted by WillysB

So much for congressional regulation. Where's Barney Frank when you really really need him?

Like they would do anything ?
HA...they just got themselves a 7% increase in their budget.
They live in the same magical green shoots world as the banksters and CEO's.

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