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We have no idea what the long term effects letting this fish go extinct could be. I'd argue that it's more important to protect seemingly insignificant animals lower on the food chain than it is to protect more impressive species at the top simply because they are depended on by so many other animals. It's not like these smelt have no known predators. Fish eating birds, reptiles, and mammals, as well as other fish (possibly those that are in turn caught by humans such as salmon) could all be effected. The extinction of this one minnow could in turn cause other animals to go endangered or extinct, which would adversely effect even more jobs. We just don't know.
And then there's the fact that the worldwide food web can only take so many extinctions before the whole thing collapses, and possibly takes the human species with it.
So it's more than a matter of one little fish putting people out of work.
We are going to rob the nation of food and jobs because of a little fish? What brain though up this nonsense up before destroying the loves of so many? It's just another way the liberals in Washington are ruining the lives of hard working people.
Liberals want the people desperate, hungry and dependent. It is easier to control people in that condidtion.
Millions are effected by this insane liberal madness and those millions will rally milions more the finally rid our government of these leeches sucking the life from this country!
There's no point trying to educate ignorant people about how ecosystems function, and about the very real extent to which our own lives depend on their health. They don't get it. They're not interested in getting it. They never will be. At least one poster on this thread has attempted to carefully explain why the the sustainability of the fish are important, and why they are important to humans and the human economy, long-term. It's notable that the information is ignored, and followed by one post after another which launches into anti-liberal, anti-environmental nonsense. The right wing follows the same mindless, juvenile script, no matter what the topic is.
There's no point trying to educate ignorant people about how ecosystems function, and about the very real extent to which our own lives depend on their health. They don't get it. They're not interested in getting it. They never will be. At least one poster on this thread has attempted to carefully explain why the the sustainability of the fish are important, and why they are important to humans and the human economy, long-term. It's notable that the information is ignored, and followed by one post after another which launches into anti-liberal, anti-environmental nonsense. The right wing follows the same mindless, juvenile script, no matter what the topic is.
You are promoting the "for the greater good" mantra. Sorry, reasonable people, even liberals, fail to see the wisdom of forcing people into poverty and driving up the price of food.
You are promoting the "for the greater good" mantra. Sorry, reasonable people, even liberals, fail to see the wisdom of forcing people into poverty and driving up the price of food.
What you--and other people who are wholly ignorant about the environment--don't seem to "get" is that if the ecosystem collapses, these people will be forced into poverty forever, and the price of food will be driven even higher. There is no "wisdom" in destroying the very habitat upon which one depends for food.
I'm wondering if anyone has asked the USFWS to take a second look at their National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) determination of effect when they listed the smelt? It certainly looks as though this listing is definitely a Federal action that requires an environmental impact statement (EIS) as would be required under NEPA for all federal actions significantly affecting the human environment. My experience says USFWS issued their standard flim-flam NEPA statement, e.g., "We have determined that environmental assessments or environmental impact statement as defined under the authority of the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969, need not be prepared in connection with regulations adopted pursuant to section 4(a) of the Act."
What you--and other people who are wholly ignorant about the environment--don't seem to "get" is that if the ecosystem collapses, these people will be forced into poverty forever, and the price of food will be driven even higher. There is no "wisdom" in destroying the very habitat upon which one depends for food.
Did it ever occur to you that it becomes a matter of the lesser of evils to many people? How many years would it take for the ecosystem to collapse(assuming that one buys into that assertion)? In my opinion, it is evil to choose to drive people into poverty to protect the environment.
Did it ever occur to you that it becomes a matter of the lesser of evils to many people? How many years would it take for the ecosystem to collapse(assuming that one buys into that assertion)? In my opinion, it is evil to choose to drive people into poverty to protect the environment.
How many years? Very few, actually.
How can it be "evil" to protect the environment when environmental protection protects people and their livelihoods? If you don't intervene to prevent habitat collapse, the habitat will die. And then what will the people do?
You need to educate yourself on ecology, rather than passing judgment based wholly on ignorance and knee-jerk partisan hatred.
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