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I am absolutely convinced that one cannot be a Christian and support abortion. The taking of an innocent life is an abomination in Jesus’ eyes. He weeps over every abortion. But I guess the pro abortion people could claim that it means one less person requiring health care.
ya stop getting off track. people here speak about being "forced to help others" but in with america's individualist characteristics, "volounteer help" for those "less fortunate" is hard to come by.
And as we can see by many people on this thread, the people who normally can't afford healthcare (the poor) are looked down on as lazy. Which is BS. I'm only a teenager so working for 11$ an hour is not bad. but I do tough physical landscaping 55 hours a week, no overtime pay.
yet if I was in the US and had to get some major surgery there is no way in heck i'd ever be able to afford it. Am I lazy?? F*** no. I work harder then most people who work in an office.
True. It's funny how with many liberals there is absolutely no value in a human life until they're talking about free health care for all -- even free abortions to destroy some human lives.
If we're going to bring religion and Jesus into the health care debate, then bring them in the whole way.
Agreed. While we are at it, Jesus clearly expected, asked the Christian Church to provide for the homeless, the poor, the people of need. The church has failed and that is why the government stepped in to the void.
ya stop getting off track. people here speak about being "forced to help others" but in with america's individualist characteristics, "volounteer help" for those "less fortunate" is hard to come by.
And as we can see by many people on this thread, the people who normally can't afford healthcare (the poor) are looked down on as lazy. Which is BS. I'm only a teenager so working for 11$ an hour is not bad. but I do tough physical landscaping 55 hours a week, no overtime pay.
yet if I was in the US and had to get some major surgery there is no way in heck i'd ever be able to afford it. Am I lazy?? F*** no. I work harder then most people who work in an office.
If you're only a teenager, then let's hope your parents were responsible kinds of people and they have an insurance plan -- or do they expect others to support their children for them?
Teenagers are covered by their parents' plan -- often until age 25 and have had time to finish college. At that time they find a job and pay for insurance benefits themselves.
Well, I'm sorry to inform you that you are absolutely wrong. Jesus "believed" no such thing, and you cannot prove that he did with scripture. What you are talking about are miracles which Jesus did. This was not because he believed in "universal healthcare", as you put it. He did these things to prove he was who he said he was (I know, you don't believe that. Too bad. It's true).
Find me one passage of scripture that supports your claim. Just one.
There was no such thing as "health care".
Finally, "universal health care" depends on someone else providing it; therefore, it is not a "right". Jesus never advocated theft of any kind, which is what you have when the government taxes one class more than another to provide services to the lesser class. That is not Christian.
Matthew 25:31-46 (New International Version)
The Sheep and the Goats
31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
I am absolutely convinced that one cannot be a Christian and support abortion. The taking of an innocent life is an abomination in Jesus’ eyes. He weeps over every abortion. But I guess the pro abortion people could claim that it means one less person requiring health care.
You lost me on that one, SS.
We're talking about taking care of the ones who are already here.
If you believe that Jesus would be in favor of a for-profit health care system, than you are naive. Nothing in the scripture suggest that would be the case. A health care system that is set up to find ways to NOT provide care and to distribute those profits to shareholders and CEO's while cancelling policies for "preexisting conditions" after a policy holder is diagnosed with cancer is not what a Christian would do.
Don't you understand thats how they work. They collect premiums and the less they pay out, the more they make. Don't you see the conflict of interest. They tell my doctor what I can and can't have. They tell my doctor what they will or will not pay for. My doctor has to make decisions based on what he can be reimbursed for. The decision should be based on what works best to treat my ailment, and no CEO or shareholder should stand between my health and my doctor.
You are absolutely right about this. However, you left out the part about how the insurance companies build "batch denials" into their business model for small dollar claims. That means that they know most people won't appeal a claim denial for amounts of less than $100 if they deny it enough times, EVEN if the insurer is obligated to pay it. So most insurance companies have a process that denies legitimate claims up to 5 times because they have done studies on consumer behavior and they know that after the 5th denial, only a fraction of their customers will resubmit the claim if the dollar amount is low enough. How often they do this depends on where they are in terms of profitability. It's a disgusting way of doing business, but as I said earlier, it's built into their business model.
Surely Jesus wants us to only help our own through a capitalistic system!
Many places throughout the Bible that mention:
-Don't help a stranger/foriegner.
-Capitalism is God's economic policy.
-Making a profit from the needs of others is the rightious way!
He certainly didn't try to establish a Socialist or Communist government to provide these things.
If you really want to have Christianity then start teaching it in the public schools. Let teachers read the Bible and remind students of Christian charity -- maybe more doctors and nurses will grow up and work for no pay like Jesus did.
Remember - in the early days of America when it was a somewhat Christian country, many hospitals were run by nuns and other Christian kinds of people who volunteered or worked for little pay.
Unfortunately Christianity is not promoted in our schools so we've gotten away from true charity -- again -- that is not forced but given voluntarily.
What is the difference as long as you are helping people who have no access to healthcare?
We have waited many years for the "charity" to help. Unfortunately, little had been done by "charitable Christians" and the numbers without healthcare are continuing to grow, approaching 50 million.
Charity is an excuse used by cheap and selfish Christians who do very little to help.
First there are not 50 million people that don't have heath care because of not having a choice. People have priorities and with many their money is too important to spend on health care. That statistic is so bogus!
Secondly Christians, as individuals, are very compassionate and giving. It is the churches that they give to that decide where the money goes. Some waste it on buildings that are monuments to man. God will punish them for that.
Many, many send the money to other nations where poor really means poor, where poor people don't have cell phones, TV, cable, computers, and other non-necessities.
the government funds their own "aspirations" with my tax dollar! the war for one. they can pay for health care no problem. get out of the war, tax the churches and legalize pot to start. we are taxed period, never gonna like it, or how the government spends it. it is a no win
I agree tax the churches and double tax every loud mouth who can't keep separate church and state! Legalize pot to bring in some more money, slow down the drug trade in Mexico and free up some jail cells.
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we are taxed period, never gonna like it, or how the government spends it. it is a no win
