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Old 06-23-2009, 08:26 AM
 
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I would have liked them to apply the "hunger is a good motivator" to the millionaires WE just bailed out instead of applying it to poor children. I wonder why they believe government intervention is good for the "haves" and is not good for the "have nots." Bail-out a millionaire and it is necessary and good. Feed a hungry child and it is socialism. "In so much as you have done to the least of these you have done to Me. Depart from Me I never knew you."
I 'ed this before but gotta do it again!
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Old 06-23-2009, 08:29 AM
 
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Isn't cancer research also funded by private corporations? I know there exists an American Heart Association. I'm thinking there's an equivalent non-profit organization devoted to cancer studies?
I was using an EXAMPLE of your "reasoning"...that we shouldn't help the poor because they will always be there....nice try at a erroneous spin, though!
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Old 06-23-2009, 08:33 AM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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It appears that what the neo cons want is a country based on the "Lord of the Flies" theory of survival. No government help for food, clothing, education, or health care. All resources directed toward only the top earners. A return to fiefdoom with a "master group" owning all resources and the worker bees only living to serve them. If this is your vision of America I have news for you. You have a MUCH bigger chance of ending up as one of the worker bees than you do of ending up as one of the masters so you might want to consider your path carefully.
It's absolutely crazy! My hope is that the neocons--like the Soviets--will end up on the ash heap of history. And until they're purged out of the GOP, they can forget getting my vote.
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Old 06-23-2009, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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Where are the facts that support this? If you're generous, why would the government being generous stop you? We as a people haven't been helpful. The government has provided what it can and we ALL haven't stepped up privately. I don't see how eliminating government assistance will spur more private intervention.
The gvernment is "generous" with other people's money. The government doesn't have any money of it's own, but merely redistributes the money it collects from the governed. If those with the money are FORCED to give it to the government for the government sponsored program, those people will not have as much money to give VOLUNTARILY. Thus, the private programs don't receive the funding that would make them effective.
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Old 06-23-2009, 08:34 AM
 
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And I completely disagree, I've seen w/my own eyes the greed, selfishness & uncaring of the people on this forum. I don't believe for a second that ANY of them would step up & help a needy person out. I know this because they've already stated it. Doesn't matter the situation the person or family is in, these people have repeatedly said "it's not my problem", "take responsibility for yourself", "why should I have to give my hard-earned money towards these lazy losers?" The list goes on & on so please don't disrespect our intelligence by saying people would rise up & help out. Some of us would, but most would rather stomp out these people like ants while they lay back & ate grapes.
Agree -- it's chilling.

More on Cynthia: Oblivious to the needs of Missouri’s hungry children | The Platform | STLtoday (http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/the-platform/published-editorials/2009/06/oblivious-to-the-needs-of-missouris-hungry-children/ - broken link)

More precisely, Ms. Davis is against summer feeding programs for poor kids. They are an excuse “to create an expansion of a government program,” she says.
Ms. Davis chairs the House Special Standing Committee on Children and Families. In that position, she might be expected to have insight into child hunger in our state.
She might know, for instance, that about one in five Missouri children lives with hunger. That ties us with Louisiana for the nation’s seventh-highest rate, according to a report released last month by the hunger-relief charity Feeding America.
Or that the recession has pushed the number of poor Missouri kids who qualify for free or reduced-price school lunches by 8.3 percent this year, well above the national average.
Apparently not.
”While I have not seen this as a problem in my district, it is entirely possible that the (summer feeding) program is designed to address problems that exist in other parts of Missouri,” Ms. Davis says in her newsletter.

That last statement is horribly typical of this sort of thinking. "Not my problem." And this "woman" "chairs the House Special Standing Committee on Children and Families"!!!!

Meanwhile Cynthia doesnt mind at all committing tax dollars to support the kind of folks she likes.
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Old 06-23-2009, 08:35 AM
 
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more from Oblivious to the needs of Missouri’s hungry children | The Platform | STLtoday (http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/the-platform/published-editorials/2009/06/oblivious-to-the-needs-of-missouris-hungry-children/ - broken link)

But Ms. Davis is skeptical about the need to feed poor children during the summer when schools are closed.
If — if — there really is one, she says, “churches and non-profits can do this at no cost to the taxpayer.”

Or maybe not.
“Most of our 18 (summer feeding program) sites are churches,” explains Rosemary Terranova, who oversees the program for St. Louis County.
“We’re trying to support churches that want to offer some kind of summer recreation program for kids,” she says. “They supply the staff, we supply the food.”
The program “has been a real blessing to us,” says Caroline Crenshaw of Bethesda Temple in Normandy, where 40 children attended day care last week while their parents worked.
The summer feeding program’s cost is funded by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which pays about $1.81 for each breakfast served and $3.18 for each lunch.
Last year, 3.7 million meals were served by the summer feeding program at a total cost of less than $9.5 million. That’s a pretty good use of federal money.
In the same generous spirit as Ms. Davis, we’d like to offer a suggestion.
• Tip: When you chair a state special committee on children and families, you probably ought to learn something about the needs of children and families.
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Old 06-23-2009, 08:36 AM
 
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I respectfully disagree that the government does a lot for people. Quite the contrary, as I believe organizations such as the FDA, etc give us a false sense of security.

As for wars and a court system, the government is mandated to provide those things vis-a-vis the constitution. It is not mandated to provide the other characteristics.
It's to provide for the common good....and what good are the courts, military, etc., if the people are hungry?


I KNOW you have never been down on your luck, poor, and especially not hungry and from that lofty ( and LUCKY) perch you look down your nose at those less fortunate...
... your total lack of human compassion is stunning and sickening........



Ya know, it's funny....some people will say they love their country (and I bet you do) but they then express hate for their fellow Americans....aren't PEOPLE what makes up this country????
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Old 06-23-2009, 08:37 AM
 
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I understand what you're trying to get at, but I'm referring to faith in a more secular manner. While you may not see faith put food in a childs mouth, faith in our fellow man builds organizations that do just that, usually far more efficiently than the government and thus more food can be provided. Additionally, organizations can be directly involved in possibly providing skills in addition to feeding them, as the old saying goes "teach a man to fish...".
You're in agreement with President Obama, then! Good for you
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Old 06-23-2009, 08:41 AM
 
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Ya know, it's funny....some people will say they love their country (and I bet you do) but they then express hate for their fellow Americans....aren't PEOPLE what makes up this country????
These people never admit even to themselves that they are what they are. Cynthia Davis would never admit she is a cruel person, or a selfish person. She'd never acknowledge that she doesnt care about people who are unlike herself. (Well, they might, if they can see a way to make these hideous character flaws appear to be virtues: watch those Ayn rand reading groups!)

Amazing......
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Old 06-23-2009, 08:42 AM
 
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I think we're running in circles with our own predisposed viewpoints. If it's ok with everyone, I'm going to retire from this thread.

I look forward to seeing you in other threads.
Well, if ya can't learn, leave.
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