Universal health care- For or against? (dollar, biased, election, elect)

[burdell]

Originally Posted by silas777

Well burdell , that is the one thing that the constitution requires the federal government to do!

The ONE thing? Requires? Where's it say that?

[fishmonger]

Privatized police/fire protection

would mean great, wonderful police/fire protection where it's needed the least and terrible police/fire protection where it's needed the most. Crime and arson would skyrocket.

[LeavingFlorida05]

I don't want police departments more concerned with the bottom line than with actual police protection. That's what privatization would bring. Sure, it's more fiscally efficient, but it also leads to a conflict of interest. There are certain aspects of our society where we cannot tolerate that conflict of interest.

[Nirvana-Guy]

I am against because the government does NOT handle for anything well!! The US government wastes 50 cents on every $1 they spend. How can we trust such an institution to make function a system that would cover 300 million people??!?

Take illegal immigration. It is one fo the easiest problems ot fix. Just require local cops to ask about immigration status and arrest those illegally. Limit defenses against removal for people here illegally and deport them. Create a 'guest worker' program like Canada's where people work 6 months and then leave or the cops come to your house. Everyone pays taxes and they take their money home and leave Canada. NO way to get citizenship in Canada that way. Smart and simple, but the pinheads in DC want a full amnesty which would ruin wages for every American and legal immigrant. THis is a prime example of the incompetence of the US government. It's taken 20 years for the government to do anything about. We went from an amnesty to 30 millions illegal aliens today in 20 years. It is mass chaos now.

Take another example of government incompetence... Hurricane Katrina and 9/11 funds. People were defrauding the government all the time, filing phony claims, creating people that never existed, taking money they were not entitled to. These 2 farily recent events have shown how incomptent and un-capable of verifiying records to stop fraud the US government is.

So, can you imagine how much the government would bungle up something as complex as healthcare for everyone!! It would be chaos! No one would get the care they needed, taxes would quadruple, fraud would be rampant, and companies would not provide workers with private healthcare insurance (which is much better than in Europe).

Is that the government that could run such a huge healthcare system for 300 million people?? NO way!

Consider England or France, where socialized healthcare (or 'universal healthcare') is the rule of law. THE HEALTHCARE THERE SUCKS! I worked with British and French people who were moving to teh US and I am yet to hear 1 good thing about the British and French health care system from British or French people. Their healthcare has collapsed due to illegal immigration. They have 2 - 3 year waiting lines for surgiers. You have to fight throngs of illegal aliens to just to get to see a doctor because you have the flu. The only thing you get there without major problems is pills, but generic, low quality stuff. And that is IF you can see a dr to give you a prescription. The illegal aliens have literally taken down the European 'universal healthcare' system. In Europe, they gave not even 1/2 the number of illegals that we have in the USA. Can you imagine how bad the system would be in the USA?!?

Now, the US is a magnet for illegal aliens because illegal aliens get so many free government services, from food stamps, to welfare, to healthcare. Illegal already suck up every inch of free medical care and every type of gov't service. Can you imagine if the US had free public healthcare?? Illegal would "legally" get all sorts of surgeries and illegals would come from all over the world (not just Mexico) to get free surgiers, but instead of being a "problem", it would become a "enourmous problem"!! And idiots like me who work 50 - 60/h week and pay taxes would have to fund this syetem for illegals.

I am sorry but if we had immigration under control and gov't spending under control, we could have solialized healthcare. Until then, I would oppose such a thing with every inch of my being (and I di NOT have private healthcare yet).

[burdell]

Originally Posted by Nirvana-Guy

I am against because the government does NOT handle for anything well!! The US government wastes 50 cents on every $1 they spend. How can we trust such an institution to make function a system that would cover 300 million people??!?

Wouldn't it make more sense to work at correcting the waste issues with the government rather than letting them dictate what we believe we should/shouldn't do? America used to be a country that never backed down from something it knew was the right thing simply because it was difficult, I hope that hasn't changed.

[Stonecoldharbours]

I know of someone who was all for social/commie healthcare, he went to Europe for the summer, came home and said, you were right! It is a system that sounds good on paper but has alot of holes in it.

But on the other hand, someone needs to get on the heels of these legal drug pushers who make some poor folks choose between meds and food too.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by PghPaNative

I know of someone who was all for social/commie healthcare, he went to Europe for the summer, came home and said, you were right! It is a system that sounds good on paper but has alot of holes in it.

But on the other hand, someone needs to get on the heels of these legal drug pushers who make some poor folks choose between meds and food too.

Any system has its good/bad points, it's ignoring the problem because it's too difficult that's just unacceptable.

My only personal contact with Euro health was through someone who had a motor vehicle accident ib Spain. He said the care he received was excellent and when he tried to make arrangements for his insurance to take care of it he was told that wouldn't be necessary.

[Coyote_Blond]

Yes, by all means...let's become a Socialist Nation. *eyeroll*

[Coyote_Blond]

Originally Posted by burdell

We may not milk the system for roads but we sure use them. I think you'd be singing a different song if your child had a serious illness and you had no health insurance or other resources.

I think the reality with many is if they already have something or don't need it they don't think the government should be involved with it, if it's something they need they're all for it. Or why are so many OK with the government providing some services and not others? Who should make these decisions?

Personally I'd rather see $$ spent on Americans than propping up some of the bums like Marcos, The Shah, Maliki, and others we happily throw money at with little/no return.

Here's an idea. Let's hear your solution to the millions of people who are FULLY capable of working and DON'T! They drain the system continuously just for medical needs. And as my original post stated...I DID crawl from the bottom! And I made an effort not to live off of others.

[LeavingFlorida05]

Originally Posted by Coyote_Blond

Yes, by all means...let's become a Socialist Nation. *eyeroll*

We already are. We only have the illusion of capitalism.