Universal health care- For or against? (unemployed, deported, visa, abuse)

[burdell]

Originally Posted by Coyote_Blond

Here's an idea. Let's hear your solution to the millions of people who are FULLY capable of working and DON'T! They drain the system continuously just for medical needs. And as my original post stated...I DID crawl from the bottom! And I made an effort not to live off of others.

They drain the system continuously JUST for medical needs? Millions? Can you document that or just a personal pet peeve? And why should those who have legitimate needs be made to suffer for the sins of others?

If anything the solution should start with finding those capable of working and cutting them off, not just saying screw 'em all, I got mine.

[skytrekker]

The USA is horribly backward in the realm of health care
as has been said- we are only industrialized country on the planet without it- but also the only representative democracy with out it.

How the supposed richest, most 'free' nation on earth cannot even offer its citizens not free or socialized medicine but affordable coverage is immoral.

A nations that puts its citizens health at the mercy of greedy for profit companies and their CEO's is itself a travesty- and says something about this countries false values.

Affordable health care based on income is not socialized, not communist but fair- anyone who thinks otherwise should loose their job, have no benefits, have pre existing conditions, become ill, loose their home and end up in the streets. While the CEO's of drug and Insurance companies get 100 million dollar bailouts- so much for the greatness of the USA-

As for those who say socialized medicine in Canada and Europe does not work- those countries all have a higher quality of life among their citizens then the USA with lower rates of infant mortality, lower rates of stress, lower rates of cancer and heart disease- says again something about the false premise of American 'superiority'.

[Stonecoldharbours]

Good for you C.Blonde, good for you! I agree 110 percent!

[burdell]

Originally Posted by PghPaNative

Good for you C.Blonde, good for you! I agree 110 percent!

So ignoring a problem because the system doesn't work well is a good solution?

It must be I'm getting old, I can actually remember when the attitude of most of America was "We CAN do it!", now we've gotten to where it's "We made a half-a**ed effort once and it didn't work so the hell with it"

[Stonecoldharbours]

Socialism in my book is bad, sorry you feel differently here.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by PghPaNative

Socialism in my book is bad, sorry you feel differently here.

I'm still waiting to hear from one of the 'antis' exactly what they think the function of government should be. Silas claimed national defense is the ONLY function REQUIRED by the Constitution but has yet to back up that statement.

[Tone509]

I'm no expert on the Canadian healthcare system but I think we should emulate many aspects of it with some modifications. Essentially, I believe we should provide some level of basic healthcare to all legal residents and give those with the means the option of purchasing additional private insurance.

While there are plenty of people who work hard to maintain or raise their standard of living, there are people lacking in ambition in every economic class: from "welfare kings/queens" to middle-class "slackers" to "trust-fund babies" (see A&E's "Sons of Hollywood"). I don't think someone who puts in an honest day's work for, say, $7 an hour at a company that doesn't offer health insurance, who doesn't have a social or spiritual network to help out and who doesn't have the means to move somewhere with theoretically better opportunities should have to suffer without health insurance. I suppose I am "biased" to think that this type of situation is the rule, not the exception.

And if I were what one might consider rich or wealthy, I would have no problem being taxed at a higher rate to support universal health care. Then again, I suppose I may be unique in that, unless I gained an exceeding amount of fame or notoriety (like that will ever happen LOL), I wouldn't need to live on a multi-acre home or acquire a whole lot of material goods... but I simply must have my $100+/month cable package. It's all about priorities. heh heh

[LeavingFlorida05]

Originally Posted by PghPaNative

Socialism in my book is bad, sorry you feel differently here.

Pure socialism is rarely good, but you're making the assumption that we can only have pure socialism or pure capitalism. That doesn't make any sort of headway in solving the problem. We need some sort of hybrid system. We don't need to copy what other nations have done, but we should do something.

[Coyote_Blond]

Originally Posted by burdell

So ignoring a problem because the system doesn't work well is a good solution?

It must be I'm getting old, I can actually remember when the attitude of most of America was "We CAN do it!", now we've gotten to where it's "We made a half-a**ed effort once and it didn't work so the hell with it"

Ignoring the problem? If I were ignoring the problem I wouldn't be paying the taxes to take care of them! Here's a solution. They have to PROVE they're 100% incompasitated and unable to work. And for those who ARE capable you've got one year on assistance (if that) to GET A JOB, pay YOUR taxes & get off the system. During which time you will only be proved ANY assistance if you prove monthly that you're working fulltime & not buying smokes & beer or gum. The solution is not to tax us more OR keep letting those leeches to make a living off of the system. Make THEM fix the problem. If they choose to be bums then let Mother Nature take its course. It's called natural selection!

[dreamofmonterey]

Originally Posted by carolinajack

i joyously give to charity, through my church and through Non profit organizations. I dont believe the government is the way we should provide health services or educational services but rather the community, the people themselves

a nice thought, that communities WOULD rise to the occasion to help. I personally havent seen it.

Simply, if a family cannot afford healthcare and lost it through work, a system should be in place.

There are still people in America who have tried to get jobs, have no health insurance, and end up in the ER with rat bites. I am just experessing frustration over that issue. That people are still living in those conditions.