Universal health care- For or against? (compared, examples, vote, million)

[Amaznjohn]

Originally Posted by burdell

So when a hurricane ravages the gulf coast or a major quake hits CA there should be no government response, right? After all, those people knew what the possibilities are, let 'em all deal with their own problems, is that how you'd have a government treat its people?

User fees would pay for rescue personnel and insurance would pay for any property damage. There's no need for government intervention.

[Amaznjohn]

Originally Posted by burdell

I just want to hear from one of the 'opposed', one of you who view healthcare as a handout, I just want one of you to tell me how you get through a week without being involved with something the government provided, like:

The roads you drive on

Air Traffic Control System

Inspection of meat and produce

Approved AND tested drugs

Etc, etc, etc....................

You're all so happy to whine about handouts and that people should take care of themselves. Any of you actually do that 100%? If not it's only a matter of degree, I'd bet my $ that we all take advantage one way or another. Ya'll' talk the talk, who can honestly say they walk the walk?

At this point we have no choice. Also, I pay a fair share of the funds for these items. However, just because I utilize them and benefit from what my tax money pays doesn't mean that I support the manner in which they are funded or who provides them.

[Amaznjohn]

Originally Posted by burdell

Wouldn't it make more sense to work at correcting the waste issues with the government

It's inherent in the system. It's not just difficult, its impossible.

[fishmonger]

Originally Posted by Amaznjohn

User fees would pay for rescue personnel and insurance would pay for any property damage. There's no need for government intervention.

Yep. The rich would be fine. Of course they already were in the first place.

[Amaznjohn]

Originally Posted by Coyote_Blond

Ignoring the problem? If I were ignoring the problem I wouldn't be paying the taxes to take care of them! Here's a solution. They have to PROVE they're 100% incompasitated and unable to work. And for those who ARE capable you've got one year on assistance (if that) to GET A JOB, pay YOUR taxes & get off the system. During which time you will only be proved ANY assistance if you prove monthly that you're working fulltime & not buying smokes & beer or gum. The solution is not to tax us more OR keep letting those leeches to make a living off of the system. Make THEM fix the problem. If they choose to be bums then let Mother Nature take its course. It's called natural selection!

I believe that they should also be tested for drugs and/or alcohol when they pick up their checks. Also, once they recover from their illnesses should be obligated to some sort of community service.

[fishmonger]

Originally Posted by Amaznjohn

It's inherent in the system. It's not just difficult, its impossible.

Since we're on the topic of healthcare, I think you'll find that there's a lot more wasteful bueracracy in the private insurance field than in Medicare or Medicaid, which, unlike private insurance companies, don't make a business out of denying coverage to as many of their customers as possible.

[Amaznjohn]

Originally Posted by fishmonger

Yep. The rich would be fine. Of course they already were in the first place.

Maybe this would be enough incentive for everyone to BECOME rich. Actually, with the reduction in taxes everyone would be able to afford it.

[Amaznjohn]

Originally Posted by fishmonger

Since we're on the topic of healthcare, I think you'll find that there's a lot more wasteful bueracracy in the private insurance field than in Medicare or Medicaid, which, unlike private insurance companies, don't make a business out of denying coverage to as many of their customers as possible.

I'm not sure where you're getting this information. You might be surprised.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by Amaznjohn

It's inherent in the system. It's not just difficult, its impossible.

To me that's just quitting, don't think that's what brought us to where we are. Remember, many tod orville and Wilbur that flying was impossible.

[fishmonger]

Originally Posted by Amaznjohn

I believe that they should also be tested for drugs and/or alcohol when they pick up their checks. Also, once they recover from their illnesses should be obligated to some sort of community service.

Assuming they can afford to recover from their illnesses... we do live in America, after all. But really, you people are heartless... every post I read from a libertarian I just get this picture in my head of some 4 year old going "ME ME ME MINE MINE MINE NO WANT SHARE DADDY IT'S MINE," just funny to me, I don't know.