Universal health care- For or against? (wages, salary, legal, drug)

[spunky1]

Originally Posted by carolinajack

i joyously give to charity, through my church and through Non profit organizations. I dont believe the government is the way we should provide health services or educational services but rather the community, the people themselves

Bravo. Exactly!

[carolinajack]

leaving Florida-i am a christian and have never experienced what you speak of, but of course if you dont want to donate to a church then dont do so--i was speaking about myself. give where and to whomever you choose to regardless of what others do.

I do not donate to churches either, i give back to God my tithes and my offerings to send missionaries around the world, to keep the lights on and heat on in church, to ministries to help the homeless, poor and hungry in my city, to educate children through our school, to fund clinics in poor areas, to share the gospel in prisons, to assist christen schools and colleges/universities, to provide clean drinking water to communities in africa and asia.

[RockyMtnr]

I am for a Universal Health Care system - such as the one initiated by New Zealand.
I mean seriously, c'mon! Moses should've taken care of this thousands of years ago.
Most Americans who know there's something wrong cannot even go to a clinic because of prohibitive costs yet anybody who wants and can cough up the dough can have a new chin by nightfall!
Doctors have become nomadic transients - moving to whichever state has the lowest malpractice-cap!
Personal Health insurance - no matter the provider - has been a joke in the US for decades now - a joke and a financial crippler.
It's time to fix it ... or better yet ... just give us a shot when we're five so that we never get sick, never have dental problems and only die the day AFTER payday!

[Pixie Dust]

Originally Posted by silas777

Shadow, I am counting to 20 before responding as to not be condecending or rude! The left is always clamoring about how many people in this country can not afford health insurance and that is the basis for their argument for universal coverage, well my family plans,works hard and makes sacrifices so that we can take care of those things, why should I pay for some joe's health care who doesnt want to make the same sacrifices for his family but cant seem to go without those luxuries you referred to!

Ok now Im counting before responding to your post. I will try as much as possible to be calm, educated and percise.

1. There is NO reason why this country does not have a national health care program. I believe in Mass. they will begin some type of state insurance in July.

2. In Costa Rica the head of the household pays 3% of his paycheck to cover his entire family for health insurance. This works there and I dont see why it wouldnt work here.

3. My husband works over 50 hours a week and his employer does NOT offer health insurance. He is NOT an illegal immigrant, his boss simply cannot afford health premiums. SO to say the least he has know health insurance. I fortunatley do because of my disability. (By the way since surgery I am feeling better and am waiting for one more test to declare myself cancer free!!!!) I miss working and making my money you cannpt compare $875/mon dissability to over 4k/month in working.

4. Like my husband there are millions of hard working people that do not have health insurance. The only reason it doesnt happen here is completley political. Big money in insurance and pharmacuetical companies. They also make HUGE donations to presidential campaigns.

For the record I am not a socialist. However, I do believe that a nation a great as ours that spends so much in wars across the ocean can do something more proactive in insuring its citizens.

[LeavingFlorida05]

Wait, are you suggesting that corporations are trying to make a profit at the expense of Americans? That's preposterous! Corporations have morals, just like people!

[carolinajack]

my nonprofit organization has always offered full coverage for full time workers, i have never worked in a job that doesnt offer health insurance. And nonprofits dont make a lot of money. we pay 3% of our income for coverage and we live in the US not costa rica

[ShadowXOR]

Originally Posted by spunky1

Bravo. Exactly!

Donating money to a biased church does not help everyone. They pick and choose where the money goes, as well as lining their own pockets.

The government lines their own pockets as well I'm sure but they aren't biased like a church. Get real and open your eyes. Not everyone is a Christian and donating to your church is a poor idea to help the masses.

Rarely do churches actually help the general population.

EDIT: Beautifully spoken Pixie Dust!!!

[ontheroad]

Here is a link to a thread several months back that went into many of the reasons for and against health care. I remember that not many participated then, but that one member and me went back and forth for several pages:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...ht=health+care

You'll see from these posts that I am an avid supporter of universal health care, but do not believe it would cost any of us a penny more than we are currently paying "if we already purchase medical insurance" ourselves.

Now, it is difficult for me to understand what people have against providing care for the largest number of our population at no additional cost. What it takes is planning and a philosophy that we are better off with a healthy population.

Also I've probably mentioned in other posts, and even within this referenced thread, that I lived in a social democracy where we had universal health care. I believe our total contribution for all benefits, and full taxation (as we were among the more affluent) did not exceed what I paid in taxes here in the US--without those taxes covering health care for my family.

I'd be interested to learn (another poll, perhaps) where people are in the economic stratum and how that might influence our decision-making. However, with changing definitions of middle class, I'm not certain how such a poll would operate. But, it probably wouldn't educate us much more than the other polls recently conducted unless we took to scientific measurements.

Any thoughts on the why nots--from an economic perspective?

[burdell]

Originally Posted by carolinajack

my nonprofit organization has always offered full coverage for full time workers, i have never worked in a job that doesnt offer health insurance. And nonprofits dont make a lot of money. we pay 3% of our income for coverage and we live in the US not costa rica

In general, non-profits may not make a lot of money on the books but don't assume a lot of money isn't spent on luxury for management. I've had personal knowledge of a 'non-profit' blood bank, the chief of which was living quite a luxurious life-style, cars, business conferences in Hawaii and golf resort areas, etc. all charged off to the corporation.

[spunky1]

Originally Posted by ShadowXOR

Donating money to a biased church does not help everyone. They pick and choose where the money goes, as well as lining their own pockets.

The government lines their own pockets as well I'm sure but they aren't biased like a church. Get real and open your eyes. Not everyone is a Christian and donating to your church is a poor idea to help the masses.

Rarely do churches actually help the general population.

EDIT: Beautifully spoken Pixie Dust!!!

Although I disagree that all churches are inherently "biased" if you reread CJs post he didn't state soley the church should be responsible but the community. There are many other ways for people to help others. And if the government would stay out of it the people would help those in need.