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Old 06-28-2009, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Nope, nope, nope. The government didnt have a strong enough case to take most of them to trial; that does NOT mean these soldiers were tried and found not guilty no matter what Michael Weiner tells you.

The first link you give is to do with two investigators of the killings. The charges of criminal wrongdoing (covering up, in their case) were dropped -- not the same as acquittals -- because "any error of omission or commission by Capt. Stone does not warrant action under the [UCMJ]". The second link: "Grayson had been charged with making false statements and attempting to fraudulently separate from the Marine Corps"; nothing to do with the murders, just lying and trying to get out of the service -- some hero!

“The evidence does not support a referral to a court-martial” (in the case of the one in your link who was involved with the murders) does NOT mean not guilty (or, as you've been taught to say, "tharr innasint!"). IOW he wasnt even tried.

In order to salvage any justice the government has had to lessen the charges against the last one, the squad leader, with manslaughter. He hasnt yet gone to trial.
Here is the exact quote from the article:

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Lieutenant Andrew Grayson, 27, was declared "not guilty on all charges" by a jury, said a spokesman for the Camp Pendleton military base in southern California where the hearing started on May 28.
That seems pretty straight-forward
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Old 06-28-2009, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Murtha was correct, a family is still dead in Haditha, and Weiner is still a loudmouthed chickenhawk
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Old 06-28-2009, 10:10 AM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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As the song goes.........If you only had a brain..

P.S. Weiner is a chickenhawk loudmouth coward riding the coattails of Marines who went after a Democrat brave enough to speak the truth, there was a massacre in Haditha that killed an entire family, but it was one of many the claimed the lives of thousands of innocent Iraqi's over the course of this illegal war against Iraq.

It happens regardless of justification or legality, because its war. Civilians have always paid the highest price in blood, and always will.

Thats why lying to start one is so reprehensible and why the Bush Administration is full of war criminals who should be tried and executed for their crimes against humanity.
Your LIBERAL Congress VOTED TO SEND THEM TO WAR, not Bush.

Marines found INNOCENT. So in your other post where you state people are innocent until found guilty, but in this case it is the opposite?

You are backwards, we saved millions, million and millions of Iraqi people from being gassed to death by Hussein, your boy Obamas namesake.

So all the Iranian civilians who have been murdered for standing up are Obamas fault for doing nothing then?

You do not like Savage because he is awesome and you could not get to the first floor of an elevator with him, he is way to smart for you and you know it.

After all he is a Doctor and you are an auto mechanic. Big difference.

Murtha is the treasonous coward who should be in jail. He is no Marine, Marines do not toss their fellow Marines under the bus like he did.
But liberals toss anyone under the bus.
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Old 06-28-2009, 10:15 AM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Murtha was correct, a family is still dead in Haditha, and Weiner is still a loudmouthed chickenhawk

INNOCENT as found.

Jack Murtha probably was the one standing in the room firing the shots.

By the way, your Jack Murtha is under investigation again.

Mind you, Murtha has long been acknowledged to be one of the most corrupt (http://www.crewsmostcorrupt.org/summaries/murtha.php - broken link) Democrats in Congress. I'm sure there's at least something that Buchanan used to justify this investigation.

Emptywheel » Mary Beth Buchanan’s Going Away Present: Jack Murtha?

He is not Marine, Marines are men and Jack Murtha is no man.
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Old 06-28-2009, 10:18 AM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Murtha was correct, a family is still dead in Haditha, and Weiner is still a loudmouthed chickenhawk

Is this the same Jack Murtha, the one who got caught passing defense contractor work onto his own blood nephew?

Murtha's Nephew Got Defense Contracts - washingtonpost.com


And I thought the libcons were not crooked.
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Old 06-28-2009, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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INNOCENT as found.

Jack Murtha probably was the one standing in the room firing the shots.

By the way, your Jack Murtha is under investigation again.

Mind you, Murtha has long been acknowledged to be one of the most corrupt (http://www.crewsmostcorrupt.org/summaries/murtha.php - broken link) Democrats in Congress. I'm sure there's at least something that Buchanan used to justify this investigation.

Emptywheel » Mary Beth Buchanan’s Going Away Present: Jack Murtha?

He is not Marine, Marines are men and Jack Murtha is no man.

You've attacked a career Marine, someone who wore the uniform and carried the load, and you've defended a cowardly loudmouth named Michael Weiner.

Marines are men, and Murtha is a man, thats why he can say what he did, when he did, and the right wing imposters and frauds could then unload on him. What better way to do it then by hiding behind a bunch of p*ssed off Marines?

Weiner is a chickenhawk, as are most of his supporters. Are you a chickenhawk too?

Oh, and you're right, Murtha is crooked. So are almost all Republicans. But thats beside the point.
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Old 06-28-2009, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Murtha was correct, a family is still dead in Haditha, and Weiner is still a loudmouthed chickenhawk
No. Murtha was not correct. As a former military member he is fully aware that soldiers have to be tried under the UCMJ before being found guilty. Murtha accused the soldiers of committing atrocities, on TV, and long before the case went to military courts. This is not the first time he has accused soldiers. The guy is a loon, who even accuses voters in his own State of being racist and things like that. He does this regularly.
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Old 06-28-2009, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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No. Murtha was not correct. As a former military member he is fully aware that soldiers have to be tried under the UCMJ before being found guilty. Murtha accused the soldiers of committing atrocities, on TV, and long before the case went to military courts. This is not the first time he has accused soldiers. The guy is a loon, who even accuses voters in his own State of being racist and things like that. He does this regularly.
Let's take a deeper look:

Voter racism? Check.

I dont remember his exact words about Haditha, but do remember the gruesome details of a families death. Unarmed men, women and children died in Haditha after a patrol lost one of their favorite members nearby and Marines looked for an invisible enemy. Did Murtha deny these Marines the right to a free and fair trial? Did he somehow influence the trial against these Marines with his statements? Not to my knowledge. What he was correct about was a family was dead. And his LARGER point was this is what happens in war with people you continue to use as moving targets in a country you should have never invaded. By speaking out he wanted to bring Marines HOME from a war in which they are still dying for no good reason.

The right wing smear machine is expert at taking actual comments out of text and using them to smear them. Murtha should have used better wording and he knows this but he was factually correct in his explanation of what happened, a massacre of a family. And Weiner stoked the flames. Savage is in San Francisco, a Berkley type of progressivism at work and he stokes the fires by sending material support to those in the form of money not because he cares about anyones rights,he sends them money and legal assistance as to deny and scare others in the Beltway against speaking out.

Which is ironic because he has a radio show where he slanders and attacks others in the most juvenile, mean spirited ways imagainable.

He, like most right wing extermists, besides being mental is also a raging hypocrite. I would not be the least bit surpirsed if he is also homosexual and hiding it is eating him alive
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Old 06-28-2009, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Let's take a deeper look:

I dont remember his exact words about Haditha, but do remember the gruesome details of a families death. Unarmed men, women and children died in Haditha after a patrol lost one of their favorite members nearby and Marines looked for an invisible enemy. Did Murtha deny these Marines the right to a free and fair trial? Did he somehow influence the trial against these Marines with his statements? Not to my knowledge. What he was correct about was a family was dead. And his LARGER point was this is what happens in war with people you continue to use as moving targets in a country you should have never invaded. By speaking out he wanted to bring Marines HOME from a war in which they are still dying for no good reason.

The right wing smear machine is expert at taking actual comments out of text and using them to smear them. Savage is in San Francisco, a Berkley type of progressivism at work and he stokes the fires by sending material support to those in the form of money not because he cares about anyones rights,he sends them money and legal assistance as to deny and scare others into speaking out.

Which is ironic because he has a radio show where he slanders and attacks others in the most juvenile, mean spirited ways imagainable.

He, like most right wing extermists, besides being mental is also a raging hypocrite. I would not be the least bit surpirsed if he is also homosexual and hiding it is eating him alive
Think bout this: Murtha accused the soldiers of killing innocent civilians and other atrocities, long before the case went to military courts. This has nothing to do with Savage, nor anybody else. Murtha was wrong, and there are some lawsuits from the accused soldiers, who later were found innocent, pending. What Murtha did is wrong, and he should pay for his slander, regardless of how you and I feel about Savage.
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Old 06-28-2009, 01:20 PM
 
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INNOCENT as found.

Jack Murtha probably was the one standing in the room firing the shots.

By the way, your Jack Murtha is under investigation again.

Mind you, Murtha has long been acknowledged to be one of the most corrupt (http://www.crewsmostcorrupt.org/summaries/murtha.php - broken link) Democrats in Congress. I'm sure there's at least something that Buchanan used to justify this investigation.

Emptywheel » Mary Beth Buchanan’s Going Away Present: Jack Murtha?

He is not Marine, Marines are men and Jack Murtha is no man.
Wait a minute this is from your link.

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She said she had to stick around, at least partly, so she could see her trumped up prosecution of Cyril Wecht through.
Another crooked prosecutor from the Bush regime.
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