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Old 06-26-2009, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I think I may be contacting my state rep as well as the Republican Party of Texas itself, threatening to start voting Democrat if they do not change the platform. I will be encouraging as many other people as possible to do the same.

The Texas House of Representatives as of now consists of 76 Republicans and 74 Democrats. It wouldn't be too hard for three seats to flip in 2010.
And with the californication of Texas I can easily see that happening.
The liberals aren't too happy with our conservative laws and programs.
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Old 06-26-2009, 12:15 PM
 
Location: North America
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I reluctantly remain a Republican, but continue to grow more and more frustrated with the sh*t the RR tries to pull.

I knew the Texas state Republican Party platform was socially conservative. I'd read parts of it and read a lot about it, but didn't realize exactly how extreme it was and how far they actually took it. I just read it in its entirety and am baffled.

The good news - the TX platform has been lauded as one of the most socially conservative state ones in the country, the national platform is not nearly as bad as this, and most candidates for state offices in TX are nowhere close to this extreme. It still frustrates me immensely.


http://www.texasgop.org/site/DocServer/FINAL_2008_PLATFORM.pdf (broken link)

Some examples:

1) the word "God" is mentioned probably about 100 times, if not more, and they want to dispel the "myth" of separation between church and state

2) they actually want to ban all forms of pornography and want homosexual acts criminalized

3) they want to ban abortion, but they apparently want no exceptions and they also want to ban certain forms of contraceptives (seems so counterproductive....contraceptives PREVENT the need for abortion)

4) they want a state law to force teaching intelligent design in public schools, want a state law banning teaching any sex ed other than abstinence only in public schools (goes back to the abortion thing....comprehensive sex ed can REDUCE abortions among the young) and want to revise rape laws to include consensual sex between teenagers in the same age range, while making the death penalty a punishment option for rape

5) they want to end the state lottery

Now you see exactly why the GOP is struggling as it is. They are so concerned about being the morality police, they forget how to represent their constituency.
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Old 06-26-2009, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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And with the californication of Texas I can easily see that happening.
Anybody who understands CA would know, its not quite liberal all the way, only along the coast. Just like Texas, the rural areas are generally conservative.
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Old 06-26-2009, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Now you see exactly why the GOP is struggling as it is.
I knew they were bad. I just didn't know they were this bad - even if only officially and not in practice - and I'm afraid that many others who are still Republicans don't realize it either.

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Old 06-26-2009, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Anybody who understands CA would know, its not quite liberal all the way, only along the coast. Just like Texas, the rural areas are generally conservative.
Except the suburban areas in TX are also generally conservative...unlike the suburban areas in CA. Also, unlike CA, TX has some fairly big cities that are still red or that are right around 50-50.

The problem is - the more extreme the RR gets, the more this is likely to change. Then TX will have to put up with fiscal liberalism, which may put us in a similar position to CA.
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Old 06-26-2009, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Texas
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And with the californication of Texas I can easily see that happening.
The liberals aren't too happy with our conservative laws and programs.
A lot of people may be moving to Texas from California and other liberal states/areas; that's true. With that said, these people are moving here for jobs, job opportunities, lower taxes, the lower cost of living, etc., and generally support fiscal conservatism.

Which is why, if the RR goes or AT LEAST if the most extreme positions go, I feel that Texas can remain red.

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Old 06-26-2009, 12:42 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Ask Brooke Palin if that method worked. And, NO I'm not poking fun.

Exactly what ARE you poking?

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Old 06-26-2009, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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A lot of people may be moving to Texas from California and other liberal states/areas; that's true. With that said, these people are moving here for jobs, job opportunities, the lower cost of living, etc., and generally support fiscal conservatism.

Which is why, if the RR goes or AT LEAST if the most extreme positions go, I feel that Texas can remain red.
Actually I just read an interesting article regarding many California transplants. The article was about foreclosures going UP here in central Texas and quite a number of foreclosures in upscale subdivisions where many of the transplants moved. It seems they came here but kept their jobs in California and telecommuted. The problems in California though led to their unemployment and then bankruptcy/foreclosure.

That article was more insight and opinion though but it did shed some light. There were more folks moving here than there were jobs and it puzzled me that they made the switch so easy when I had friends laid off that could not find jobs for months upon months. I had assumed they got jobs here in Texas..I didn't figure they just moved and kept their current job in California and worked from home via the internet. Now not every job is like that but most who came did so because of that.
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Old 06-26-2009, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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For the most part, the RR has already led to the demise of the GOP.

The document quoted by the OP proves the RR part of the GOP, at least in TX, has become clinically delusional / deranged. Some of these people are the sort of possible domestic terrorists the DHS report recently warned us about. They've been fed a constant stream of lies about how christianity is under attack, yadda yadda, and many of these rubes believe it. Truth is, these clowns are the ones attacking us and our constitution, trying to force their doctrines into our government. I could go on and on about these people, but I won't, suffice it to say that any armed belligerent religious zealot is a terrorist, be they a part of Al Queda or a part of some evangelical church -- they are ALL the same, no matter where in the world they operate.

"any armed belligerent religious zealot is a terrorist"

Thank you King George!
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Old 06-26-2009, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Good, I am hoping the Republicans go Neocon ape SH^^! Take Neoconism to the furthest extreme possible. That will all but eliminate the Republicans to a pathetic afterthought.
Then a real party of Principal can arise and truly lead the nation by giving America back to us.

Slow down cleanhouse, we haven't seen the taxes that go along with all the freebies just yet. Come this time next year the question on people's mind is going to be the skyrocketing deficit, national debt and taxes. The Republicans are doing exactly what they need to do right now. Nothing they propose will get past the dems and they can't stop anything ether, so why get involved with a catastrophe? The dems have nowhere to go with their tax and spend policies except to raise taxes even more in the face of raising inflation. The swing votes are walking away from the dems already and the blame Bush stuff is tired at this point. Should be an interesting mid-term.
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