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This sort of hatred of the poor, attacking the programs that help them, is a right wing focus to keep the masses away from going after those that REALLY spend our money in large amounts- going after the low income of the country is pathetic- it shows a real UNAMERICAN attitude. Geez the Statue of Liberty says 'give us your poor huddled masses'- most of the posters in these various anti- welfare/unemployent/food stamp threads would call the Statue of Liberty a socialist-and would call these poor huddled masses the statue calls for lazy rabbit breeding aliens that should be kept out with a fence-
This sort of hatred of the poor, attacking the programs that help them, is a right wing focus to keep the masses away from going after those that REALLY spend our money in large amounts- going after the low income of the country is pathetic- it shows a real UNAMERICAN attitude.
What hatred of the poor? Noting inefficiencies in government welfare programs is indicative of hating the poor? Nonsense.
The point of food stamps is to provide food for people that can't afford it, yet the food stamp program is largely a huge windfall for the food business. Food stamps can be easily replaced with food vouchers that can only be used for particular food stuffs and this would greatly reduce its costs and provide the same benefit to those truly in need...
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Geez the Statue of Liberty says 'give us your poor huddled masses'- most of the posters in these various anti- welfare/unemployent/food stamp threads would call the Statue of Liberty a socialist-and would call these poor huddled masses the statue calls for lazy rabbit breeding aliens that should be kept out with a fence-
I use to go shopping at a grocery store in the poorer part of town and noticed that a lot of people using food stamps made stupid purchases. Anyhow, yesterday I was at the grocery store and used an automated check and the person's receipt before mine got stuck to mine and did not realize it until I looked at home.
Regardless, the total was for $150 and the type of purchases were pretty ridiculous. For example they spent $10 on premium fruit juice (two 1/2 gallon containers), $12 on two packs of premium hot dogs, expensive snack foods, etc. Around $100 of it was spent very wastefully, the other $50 was spent on meats and such that were on sale. Anyhow, for the same money I could easily get double the food.
Anyhow, why have food stamps when the people so wastefully spend them? They are essentially store gift cards with some restricts. I don't think anybody should starve in an advanced country like the US, but at the same time why are tax payers forking out money so low-income folks can buy foods that many of don't buy because of the high costs?
You forgot to add how you followed them to the parking lot and saw them get in to their brand new Escalade with the gold trim package.
Basically, we give someone "$" and they do with it what they want. Becasue we can't micromanage everyones life so we can feel good about ourselves. Whether they buy old bread and dented cans or premium fruit juuice they still get "$". Maybe they don't NEED or WANT "double the food". Maybe they want stuff they like the tase of or has ingredients they aren't allergic to or...or...or...in any case, it's not your business or worth getting upset over.
Reworking the welfare/foodstamp/etc programs is probably a good idea, creeping on people shopping carts wont help though.
evee you need to do research on your'e own and stop listening to the govt ran media machine.i have seen first hand at convience stores in Texas people buying cigs, beer, toilet paper and more, using the ebt.the clerks in the stores know how to ring these items up so that they will show it as an eligable item. do your homework.
You called and turned the store in, right. You're engaged in criminal activity if you didn't.
You're part of the problem or part of the solution.
You forgot to add how you followed them to the parking lot and saw them get in to their brand new Escalade with the gold trim package.
Sorry....I don't follow... Is this some lame attempt to pigeonhole me?
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Basically, we give someone "$" and they do with it what they want. Becasue we can't micromanage everyones life so we can feel good about ourselves.
Umm......it has nothing to do with "feeling good about ourselves", instead implementing the most cost effective programs.
Giving welfare recipients money that they can "do with it what they want" makes no sense at all. Welfare recipients, by being on welfare, have demonstrated an inability to manage their own affairs effectively...to expect them to spend welfare funds effectively and efficiently is absurd.
But the current food stamp program isn't about helping the poor, its about lining the pockets of the food industry. Switching to vouchers would feed people all the same, but it would greatly reduce the windfall to the food industry.
There is another issue as well, welfare programs should be as unattractive as possible to insure that only the people that really need them use them.
What hatred of the poor? Noting inefficiencies in government welfare programs is indicative of hating the poor? Nonsense.
The point of food stamps is to provide food for people that can't afford it, yet the food stamp program is largely a huge windfall for the food business. Food stamps can be easily replaced with food vouchers that can only be used for particular food stuffs and this would greatly reduce its costs and provide the same benefit to those truly in need...
The statue of liberty says nothing about welfare.
Targeting programs that benefit the poor or underemployed are indeed a form of bias or hatred of the poor- there are far more wasteful inefficiencies in govt. spending than these programs , just look at the military, but the right seems so focussed on pointing out the problems with these 'entitlement' programs instead of just resigning themselves to the fact that these programs help all of us not just the poor-programs that give subsidies to oil companies , auto industries, and other corporate govt. handouts only help the fat cats to line their wallets with ever increasing profits that do not trickle down to any of us below-the right seems so fixated on welfare and other programs in order to keep the focus off of the corporate handouts and tax loopholes they need to keep increasing the gap in wealth in this country-
Why would the statue of liberty be asking the world to send us their poor if the intent wasnt to help them to find a better life? Welfare helps those in need to do just that. To focus on the minority that cheat the system is just the cynicism of the right coming through, not trusting those that are not one of you, everyone is out to cheat you out of your hard earned money.
What hatred of the poor? Noting inefficiencies in government welfare programs is indicative of hating the poor? Nonsense.
The point of food stamps is to provide food for people that can't afford it, yet the food stamp program is largely a huge windfall for the food business. Food stamps can be easily replaced with food vouchers that can only be used for particular food stuffs and this would greatly reduce its costs and provide the same benefit to those truly in need...
The statue of liberty says nothing about welfare.
"the statue of liberty says nothing about welfare"
Targeting programs that benefit the poor or underemployed are indeed a form of bias or hatred of the poor- there are far more wasteful inefficiencies in govt.
Whether or not there is more waste in other government programs is an entirely different question. Refining the food stamp program is a form of hatred toward the poor because there are other programs that also waste funds? That is just crazy....
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...but the right seems so focussed on pointing out the problems with these 'entitlement' programs instead of just resigning themselves to the fact that these programs help all of us not just the poor-programs that give subsidies to oil companies....
The topic here is food stamp programs not what "the right" is or is not focused on.
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Why would the statue of liberty be asking the world to send us their poor if the intent wasnt to help them to find a better life? Welfare helps those in need to do just that.
The purpose of welfare is to provide a social safety net, not allow people to "find a better life". Giving people food doesn't make them find a better life, it just prevents them from starving.
Regardless, the sign on the statue of liberty was created before welfare existed. Nobody in their right mind in that era would suggest "the poor" from around the world should come to the US so the government could provide them welfare benefits....
Setting them up in a way so people can abuse it. Nuff said.
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"the statue of liberty says nothing about welfare" 
