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We have no choice but to engage Iran - they share long borders with Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. Especially when it comes to the stability of Afghanistan, Iran has a major role to play along the border and in the areas of western Afghanistan with a large Shia population.
Iran could make a mess of things in both countries if they so wished. We have to be realistic and put American strategic interests first, and that includes engaging Iran. You don't have to be a fan of the Iranian regime to accept this. It's just geopolitics.
Even the liberal CNN to day said that Obama has been two stps behind the public in taking a stand on Iran. When the congress is ahead of the president; he has a problem of trailing ;not leading.
Now, just ask yourself; Do you think there is any chance at all of those results changing? You just keep waiting for the "official" results - I'm sure you'll believe it hook, line and sinker. There was nothing democratic, fair or free about that election and everybody other than obama's toadies realize it.
It's pretty obvious that Ahmadenejad rigged the election;however, if Obama came out immediately and accused him of fraud it could easily backfire because Ahmadenejad would have accused the United States of meddling in Iran's affairs, rallying his base. You see in 1953 the US overthrew a democraticlly elected Iranian president, Mohammed Mossadegh and supported the Shah for 26 years and his ruthless dictatorship. So many people in Iran get very angry when they feel that the US is meddling in their affairs. It wouldn't be a very good idea for Obama to try and stir up anti-American sentiment, because this would just benefit Ahmadenejad by putting the focus on something other than him, and it's best for all the focus to be on Ahmadenejad at the moment. As more and more evidence of fraud services, I'm sure Obama will condemn it. He already condemned the violent oppression of the protests.
Alot of people from the left and the right realize that what Ahmadenejad is wrong. Hell, I signed an online petition from CREDO, which is to the left of Obama, urging Iran to stop repressing the protests. Likewise, Obama condemned Ahmadenejad's crackdown as well. So I don't know why you're trying to make it look like Obama's "toadies" are supporters of Ahmadenejad. Remember that Ahmadenejad is a conservative; his views are more similar to yours (assuming your conservative) than mine.
It's pretty obvious that Ahmadenejad rigged the election;however, if Obama came out immediately and accused him of fraud it could easily backfire because Ahmadenejad would have accused the United States of meddling in Iran's affairs, rallying his base. You see in 1953 the US overthrew a democraticlly elected Iranian president, Mohammed Mossadegh and supported the Shah for 26 years and his ruthless dictatorship. So many people in Iran get very angry when they feel that the US is meddling in their affairs. It wouldn't be a very good idea for Obama to try and stir up anti-American sentiment, because this would just benefit Ahmadenejad by putting the focus on something other than him, and it's best for all the focus to be on Ahmadenejad at the moment. As more and more evidence of fraud services, I'm sure Obama will condemn it. He already condemned the violent oppression of the protests.
Alot of people from the left and the right realize that what Ahmadenejad is wrong. Hell, I signed an online petition from CREDO, which is to the left of Obama, urging Iran to stop repressing the protests. Likewise, Obama condemned Ahmadenejad's crackdown as well. So I don't know why you're trying to make it look like Obama's "toadies" are supporters of Ahmadenejad. Remember that Ahmadenejad is a conservative; his views are more similar to yours (assuming your conservative) than mine.
My sentiments exactly. Thanks for saying it so well. I read yesterday in the Denver Post (well to the right of Huff Post) that if Iran had messed in our disputed election in 2000 we would rightly be angry.
As for inflammatory language, you know what I mean., sanrene. Toadies (which I do not appreciate being called), Tinpot dictator (do you know anything about this guy?), and on and on. It would be helpful if you could try to get your points across without getting all these little digs in.
It's pretty obvious that Ahmadenejad rigged the election;however, if Obama came out immediately and accused him of fraud it could easily backfire because Ahmadenejad would have accused the United States of meddling in Iran's affairs, rallying his base.
He did that anyway, before obama's tone got a bit more forceful.
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So many people in Iran get very angry when they feel that the US is meddling in their affairs.
The government officials certainly do. This time the democracy advocates were begging the US and the international community for support.
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Likewise, Obama condemned Ahmadenejad's crackdown as well. So I don't know why you're trying to make it look like Obama's "toadies" are supporters of Ahmadenejad.
The initial response from the WH was weak and timid and basically was silent with regard to the violence - that is a tacit support of the regime. His toadies failed to see the weakness and inappropriate response that the rest of the world, his opponents at home, as well as the media clearly saw.
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Remember that Ahmadenejad is a conservative; his views are more similar to yours (assuming your conservative) than mine.
Obama is going to do as much about Honduras as he will about Iran, which is zip. That's what I like about him. He doesn't imagine that everything that goes on in the world is our affair.
But if you had to compare the two cases, at least (1) Honduras is in our hemisphere and (2) it's unclear who really won the Iranian election, whereas it's uncontroverted that the elected president of Honduras is no longer in Honduras.
It's pretty obvious that Ahmadenejad rigged the election
We should be careful about saying this. It seems likely, based on reports, that there was fraud committed on behalf of Ahmadinejad in the election. It's not at all clear that he wouldn't actually have won the election anyway.
I deplore the fact that he won it in either case, just like I deplored Bush's election whether it was fair or foul, but the fact is, the jerks do sometimes win: Bush, Ahmadinejad, Chavez.
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Remember that Ahmadenejad is a conservative; his views are more similar to yours (assuming your conservative) than mine.
How true. But as they say, two in the same trade never agree.
Anything Obama said on Iran would have hurt the reformers (who actually aren't that much different than the people holding power there now). So he didn't want to hurt them, despite what complete numbnuts like McCain were urging. It's a good thing that Obama has a bunch of smart people advising him, rather than complete idiots here on CD.
In Honduras, the elected leader was overthrown. We denounce that behavior.
What is wrong with you people that you can't understand the simple differences? Are you just pretending so you can have more poo to fling? That's what it looks like.
He seems to come down on the side of dictators, despots and murderers. Chavez, Ahmedinejad, Castro, Assad and now the guy in Honduras.
Of course he does. Leftists are notorious for loving and supporting dictators. If he could be one himself he'd go for it and the sheeple would bleet their loving approval. Fortunately the Honduran military knows what it means to honor their Constitution. And I am confident ours does too.
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