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Old 06-29-2009, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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However human nature is to conceal things that we don't want to deal with so the epidemic will continue because there are always going to be dishonest people who will lie to their partners.
Yes, some people will lie and conceal it from their sex partners, but my understanding is that the vast majority of HIV-infected people do not go around recklessly having sex without condoms.
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Old 06-29-2009, 11:28 AM
 
Location: um....guess
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Although I know it is a controversial practice the government should have a database with the names and pictures of those infected for the public to be able to check before they become involved with the person.
No, I don't agree w/this. It will turn these people into pariahs. Have you already noticed the vile discussions & responses people have made about either gays, sexually active people or people w/diseases on this forum alone? No way, that would be open season if that was allowed.
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Old 06-29-2009, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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No, I don't agree w/this. It will turn these people into pariahs. Have you already noticed the vile discussions & responses people have made about either gays, sexually active people or people w/diseases on this forum alone? No way, that would be open season if that was allowed.
I agree. Privacy should be protected unless someone is committing a criminal act. Simply being HIV-positive is not a criminal act. He's comparing having a disease with being a sex offender. I think that's a terrible comparison.
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Old 06-29-2009, 11:30 AM
 
Location: southern california
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good job mr obama ---denial works great for americans getting them out of it will be a project.debt job future, global warming AIDS lousy disfunctional marriage, divorce, you name it. lots of people walking on the streets and hangin out at starbucks and the "night life" are walking dead people.
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Old 06-29-2009, 11:32 AM
 
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This is Obama's way of reducing healthcare costs? I would say test for HIV if you have significant risk factors... just because you are negative now doesn't mean you aren't going to be positive later... this will cost a LOT of money... you could say that it is a screening tool but what a dumbas$ way of doing things... prevalence is low and incidence is not high in the majority of this country to warrant testing other than those with risk factors... I can understand because Obama doesn't know a lot about epidemiology and statistics but shouldn't he talked to experts before making this absurd claim...
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Old 06-29-2009, 11:34 AM
 
Location: um....guess
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I agree. Privacy should be protected unless someone is committing a criminal act. Simply being HIV-positive is not a criminal act. He's comparing having a disease with being a sex offender. I think that's a terrible comparison.
LOL, should we be surprised? There are some who compare homosexuality to pedophilia. Such a worldy group we've got on CD, hey?
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Old 06-29-2009, 11:34 AM
 
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Testing is valuable and it is good that the president is mentioning this disease and not just ignoring it like so many presidents before him. However the only real benefit of people being tested is so that they will know their status early enough so that they can begin treatment that may prolong their lives and also in the hopes that they will be honest and tell their partner before having sex. However human nature is to conceal things that we don't want to deal with so the epidemic will continue because there are always going to be dishonest people who will lie to their partners.

I have had this debate many times with friends and family members. Although I know it is a controversial practice the government should have a database with the names and pictures of those infected for the public to be able to check before they become involved with the person. This along with continuing to practice safe sex will cut down transmission and put an end to this epidemic. I know everyone will say people have a right to their privacy. But when there is an epidemic involved that should be the exception to the rule. It is no different then the National Sex Offender Registry.........for those that have never looked at the registry it contains the names, pictures and addresses of registered sex offenders.

The good of the larger society should outweigh the privacy of the smaller few!

I agree. There should be a data base because those infected will still have sex. Even if they use a condom it is still high risk because condoms sometimes break or fall off.

People need to stay away from gay sex, drug use (sharing neeedles), multiple partners. and prostitutes. These are the highest risk for contracting AIDS.
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Old 06-29-2009, 11:35 AM
 
Location: um....guess
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This is Obama's way of reducing healthcare costs? I would say test for HIV if you have significant risk factors... just because you are negative now doesn't mean you aren't going to be positive later... this will cost a LOT of money... you could say that it is a screening tool but what a dumbas$ way of doing things... prevalence is low and incidence is not high in the majority of this country to warrant testing other than those with risk factors... I can understand because Obama doesn't know a lot about epidemiology and statistics but shouldn't he talked to experts before making this absurd claim...
Wow, you really know your stuff, don't ya? Are you insane? What do you think will cost more my friend, an aids test or healthcare for someone living w/aids? Why don't you just fess up, because it's Obama who said this & not your pal Limbaugh, Cheney or McCain, THAT is why all of you chicken littles are running around w/your heads cut off & your arms flapping, right?
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Old 06-29-2009, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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I can understand because Obama doesn't know a lot about epidemiology and statistics but shouldn't he talked to experts before making this absurd claim...
I hope you're as critical of Bush on this issue as you are of Obama.

Bush Administration to Suggest Routine AIDS Testing Procedures
April 18, 2003

By Ceci Connolly

THE WASHINGTON POST -- The nation’s top public health doctor, declaring current AIDS prevention programs a major disappointment, announced Thursday the Bush administration will begin encouraging doctors to offer routine HIV testing to all their patients, especially pregnant women.

http://tech.mit.edu/V123/N20/long_4_$20.20w.html
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Old 06-29-2009, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Listening to some of these right-wing rants, I'm becoming more and more convinced we need some type of universal heathcare. Some of these people desperately need meds and treatment, no matter what the cost.
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