Obama lashes out at honduras; sides with chavez, castro (spokeswoman, regime, illegal immigration)

[SouthCity09]

Originally Posted by stiffnecked

Iran voted for and elected a new president. Instead the Supreme Ruler and the Mullets decided to not count the ballots that were cast for him. They decided on their own to give the election to the loser.

hey is Honduras a Islamic Republic?

[gf1025]

Sometimes can't believe people can make these kind of comments and be serious!! It was a MILITARY COUP
That's wrong no matter what way you look at it!
If they wanted to elect a new president they can vote on it! As a matter of fact his term is over in Jan 2010!
Honduras is in Central America, IN OUR BACKYARD! Instability there, like it or not, believe it or not, affects us directly. How? You think illegal immigration is a problem now? Imagine if a civil war broke out down there! Don't you think that a Military coup is grounds for Asylum?! You better believe it! Many Guatemalan and Salvadorian illegal immigrants have been able to legalize their status due to civil wars and conflicts in their native countries! I find it unbelievable we still have people who are unable to grasp this very simple concept! These are the same people who are outraged about voter fraud in Iran but think is OK for the military to overthrow a democratically elected president?!

Originally Posted by sanrene

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Obama says coup in Honduras is illegal | Reuters



Nice, strong statement from obama - too bad it is once again wrong. Compare and contrast this very quick response to the silence over Iran's elections.

Why does it always seem obama and the dems/libs take the side of dictators, criminals and despots?

The Supreme court ruled that what Zelaya was doing was illegal, so did the congress and the military refused to distribute the ballots. He was trying to pull a Hugo Chavez - and the other branches of government stepped in to prevent a constitutional crisis.



Really? So they have no problem meddling in the affairs of a sovereign country? Why the left must be contorting themselves into unimaginable shapes in order to resolve the dichotomy between the two.

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Doesn't it just warm your hearts to see POTUS allign himself with this evil clown? Just one call from Chavez is all it took for obama to comply.

[Katiana]

Originally Posted by sanrene

From direction by the court and congress.

Have you read their constitution to see if it is legal?

Have you read it?

Originally Posted by sanrene

Sounds like he was a puppet of CHavez, who I would assume would have a de facto co-presidency.

A*S*S* ume all you want. You know what happens when you a*s*s* ume!

Originally Posted by sanrene

How do you know what their rule of law is? Have you read the constitution?

Sounds like the one violating the law was Zelyaya. But of course, obama will take the side of dictators and despots.

It was not a coup.

Again, have YOU read their constitution. Everyone but you, every reputable news source, is saying this was a coup.

[sanrene]

It was a MILITARY COUP

Sorry, it was not. They arrested Zelaya by court order. The congress then elected a new interim president. The military is not in charge.

[jfields]

Sanrene I can't believe your publishing the same false crap on a different thread. It is questionable if what Manuel Zayala was doing something unconstitutional. The vote wasn't even to let him run for another term; it was to ask the voters of Honduras if they want a constitutional reform. In Honduras' constitution this is legal. On the other hand, the constitution says that presidents are to be elected by the people, not put in power by the military. If the people of Honduras really don't like Zayala, like the coup supporters claim, they could have simply voted no and Zalaya would be out of power in January; there is no need and no excuse for the military repression that's going on. You condemn what Ahmadinejad did in Iran while justifying a military coup in Honduras; that's a double standard if I've ever seen one.

Honduras is turning into a facist police state as I write this. The military has has taken Telesur and CNN off the air in Honduras, infringing on the freedom of the press. They have kidnapped the Minister of Foreign Relationship, Patricia Rodas, and her whereabouts are unknown. They have a curfew from 9 pm until 6 am; if you violate the curfew, the military can shoot you. The whole Organization of American States has condemned the coup. Leaders from all over Europe and Latin America, including Felipe Calderon and Alvaro Uribe, have condemned the coup. Just in case you didn't know, Calderon and Uribe are the right wing presidents of Mexico and Colombia. Everyone has come together to condemn this coup because it is not the correct way to resolve political problems. Chavez, love him or hate him, is the democratically elected president of Venezula, unlike Roberto Micheletti. Obama is only alinging with Chavez so that we don't have a military dictatorship in our backyard, and I hope they can put their differences aside to ensure that democracy prevails in Honduras. Bush started a multi billion dollar war in Iraq, supposedly to promote democracy; and you are saying that Obama can't even ally himself with another democratically elected president (Chavez) in order to promote democracy. Do you even care about promoting democracy or do you just want to promote failed right-wing economic policies?

[HappyTexan]

From reading a few articles on this (not just one) it sounds like he wanted to throw out the constitution and do what other SA leaders did in order to be able to be re-elected and stay in power past January. IMO if it was a real coup they would have just shot the guy in his bed.

I also read that since 2006 Zelaya was leaning more left and getting support from Chavez and other left leaders. Isn't that bad for a democracy ?

And who took over was a member of his very party.
They said they did it to protect their democracy.

Also the only countries mentioned with comments that I read are the US, Venezuela, Nicaragua & Ecuador; all leftist countries (well the US isn't quite there yet). Why are we siding with these guys ? Where's the rest of the South American countries and what's their take on it ?

Seems to me there were political problems brewing for a few years as Zelaya moved the country more towards the left.

I really don't know enough nor have I followed politics in SA enough to form an opinion but it just seems odd that we're taking sides with a leftist and leftist countries that hate our guts

[Katiana]

I googled "Honduras coup" and got 2,750,000 hits. I think it's a coup.

[djacques]

Originally Posted by sanrene

Those who have denounced it as a coup - Chavez and the rest of the evil clowns - oh that's right, you are on the same side.

So, every leader in the hemisphere, from the most radical to the most conservative, are "evil clowns". Only sanrene and the Honduran generals have got it right.

[Sunny-Days90]

Originally Posted by SouthCity09

Once again, what he tried to do was illegal as was the military taking him out.

You sound worried?

So it wont be right for a military to take out a treasonous dictator?

You really sound worried for some reason.

Obama needs to mind his own business, he has enough problems he is causing here to get involved in this mess.

But to take the wrong side once again shows his lack of abilities to make a good decision.

Wrong once again is Obama.

Dang, he is piling up the mistake isn't he?

[jfields]

Originally Posted by HappyTexan

From reading a few articles on this (not just one) it sounds like he wanted to throw out the constitution and do what other SA leaders did in order to be able to be re-elected and stay in power past January. IMO if it was a real coup they would have just shot the guy in his bed.

I also read that since 2006 Zelaya was leaning more left and getting support from Chavez and other left leaders. Isn't that bad for a democracy ?

And who took over was a member of his very party.
They said they did it to protect their democracy.

Also the only countries mentioned with comments that I read are the US, Venezuela, Nicaragua & Ecuador; all leftist countries (well the US isn't quite there yet). Why are we siding with these guys ? Where's the rest of the South American countries and what's their take on it ?

Seems to me there were political problems brewing for a few years as Zelaya moved the country more towards the left.

I really don't know enough nor have I followed politics in SA enough to form an opinion but it just seems odd that we're taking sides with a leftist and leftist countries that hate our guts

From what I read, and heard on the news as well, Zalaya was just doing a survey to ask the people of Honduras if they want a constitutional reform; he wasn't trying to change the constitution.

Also, how is getting support from Chavez and other leftists anti-democratic? As a leftist that firmly believes in democracy, I find it insulting that people claim the left is anti-democratic. As for Chavez, while he has some authoritarian positions that I don't approve of, is a democratic president. He's won multiple elections in Venezuela by wide margins. Just because you don't agree with his politics doesn't make him anti-democratic. Roberto Micheletti is anti-democratic; nobody elected him.

By the way, I have followed politics in South America for a long time. I'm a Political Scientist and I know South America even better than Obama. To say that Chavez hates America isn't true either. Do you know that Citgo, which is owned by PDVSA (Venezuela's state run oil company) sells heating oil at large discounts to poor communities in the United States? Exxon Mobile doens't do this; instead they made record profits last year by selling us gas for over $4 a gallon. Chavez is a staunch opponent of the right-wing in America, but he isn't anti-American , which he has made perfectly clear in many of his speaches.