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Great post, and an excellent illustration of how the GOP is allowing itself to be taken over by a lunatic fringe which is alienating all the moderate, mainstream Republicans.
It is true: mainstream GOP has been left out of the equation - and we are being lumped into the barrel with the shrill voices from the far right.
Here is how I see it.
I truly believe that the majority of Americans AGREE on all the major issues facing this country, including "family values."
WE AGREE!!!! Yet, we are in each other's faces and feel alienated from one another.
Tell me if I am wrong.
The majority of Americans see these as major issues and we AGREE on these issues.
1. Healthcare Reform. Is there really anyone out there who thinks we DO NOT NEED healthcare reform? Is there anyone out there who believes our system provides care at reasonable prices? Is there anyone out there who thinks it is fine when a family has to declare bankruptcy due to medical bills?
2. Education. Is there any family out there who DOES NOT WANT a quality education for their children?
3. Illegal Immigration. Is there anyone out there who would want to prohibit another human being from immigrating to our country? I don't think so! Can't we all agree that what we expect are for people who want to come here to do so legally?
4. Balanced budget. Is there really anyone living in this country and paying taxes who thinks it is fine that we not only have a huge national debt, but that we are going even further into debt daily? And we are borrowing money from other countries, with China being the big lender?
5. Outsourcing of jobs. Is there actually a person in this country who is fine w/ corporations outsourcing jobs - and putting Americans out of work? Why are our leaders not doing something to address this issue? Let's face it - if our citizens don't have jobs - then how the heck can we pay off the national debt? No taxes, no money in our coffers! Yet, no one is talking about this issue.
My belief is that we all basically agree on these issues - but the problems come in when we can't seem to come to agreement on how we address and solve these issues. That is why it is a GOOD THING there are two parties in this country. There needs to be discussion, debate and solutions brought to the table - not name-calling and dishonesty.
that is a little like saying laws against bank robbery incite bank robbery. this is used extensively in modern child rearing, ignore the behavior & it will go away, rubbish.
probably because it's so easy to get married there.
state of marriage is so sorry and abused the marginal difference in failure from state to state is hardly worth noting. like going down on the titanic and arguing about which deck is better to stand on. to be on topic values are critical and need to be nurtured. porno is the result of men's needs consistently not being met in the marriage. people-- like on CDF-- do virtual reality bek reality stinks.
that is a little like saying laws against bank robbery incite bank robbery. this is used extensively in modern child rearing, ignore the behavior & it will go away, rubbish.
Behavior that infringes someone else's rights (life and liberty) results in prosecution. Personal responsibility and one's moral compass have to be what guides behavior in general. What we are taught as far as "moral values" as children can set up a foundation, but once we are adults, we are responsible for our own actions. Religious beliefs are b/n a person and whatever "high being" they worship. If a person is unhappy about what a family member is doing (gambling, porn, sex) then it is not up to the state to address those issues - it is up to the family to address it. Once someone is an adult, if he/she is not breaking a law . . . who cares what personal habits someone is engaging in?
Great post, and an excellent illustration of how the GOP is allowing itself to be taken over by a lunatic fringe which is alienating all the moderate, mainstream Republicans.
Keep people chasing after a boogie man, resorting to the tactics of said boogie man in the process, they'll never have to be accountable for themselves. The republican party used to stand for personal accountability-- where did that go?
"You're either for me or against me" is an echo of how rural america was led to believe citified america has it out for them. Rebranded version of elitism to counter citified elitism, so now we get to listen to a straight stream of gibberish non arguments. Divide and conquer... how's that working out now for the health of the party and the nation? The party of stewardship? Not anymore when you're willing to resort to Machiavellian tactics even if you trample the constitution in the process.
Yes, I've definitely been alienated from the republican party, but not by whatever outrageous thing spin doctors crafted. It's own members taking the entitlement attitude of annihilating half this nation with hate speech in forums such as these are ample consistent evidence. Disrespectful trash talk from them is the current party definition to me. I'm hard pressed to find any right wing publications not answerable to Rupert Murdoch one way or another. I'm glad The Atlantic is around, but for crying out loud, I cannot believe my ears when they're making themselves out to be victims of 60% of our nation. That's conservative??? No way! Where did the Ike sensible shoes dealing with problems unflinchingly wander off to? Since when have you seen such needy, whiny, nonsense considered acceptable?
As far as I'm concerned it's mental illness on social psych scale attributed to malevolence within the party itself. The more I listened the more I believe the media forces themselves control the party without any election necessary. One way or another, the disease is inside. There's no conservative input in the process so long as neocon ideology is believed infallible. It's not all wrong, but it does have serious flaws proven out with overzealous deregulation. This is a delusion no citizen can afford to sustain.
Ani is spot on. Most of america really does share the sensible view but lacks a party so everyone labels them a subcategory of moderates. Why would anyone want us at each others throats? Consider this trend even in the hallowed halls of our own government... the politicians themselves are sick to death with their own parties enough to jump ship (from BOTH sides of the aisle). We're due for radical changes, but it absolutely needs to be tempered by conservative guidance rooted firmly in constitutionality. Instead we have passive aggressive nonsense in legislative branch because they aren't the majority.
When this is how they act as our nation has dire economic conditions afoot for well over a year, how am I supposed to take them seriously as a party? Where was their plan B presentation in debates over the corrective course? This behavior isn't acceptable in my personal or business life, why on earth should it be acceptable on such a mass scale? Where's the form I have to fill out to deliver the entire RNC a smack upside the head? I'm not smacking myself in the head anymore over what soap opera antics they'll pull next. I'm saying these things not because I want to see the party destroyed, but the party back to health. Like Ani, I have no idea how to get them to snap out of it other than to vote with my feet. True party loyalty has to mean honesty, and willingness to hear what's been said in threads like these. McCain voters were an embarrassment to his lifelong statesmanship. Yes, that's the awful truth, but that elephant in the living room can't be decorated away.
We already did this...The higher divorce rate is due to a much higher rate of marriage. MA leads the nation for shaking up while OK has the highest rate of marriage. You aren't able to get a divorce if you don't marry in the first place. The teen birth rate is due to the higher instance of abortion in blue states. I can't really comment on the porno since I have no stats.
Note: AK has a lower rate of marriage among men because of a lack of women in that state.
It is true: mainstream GOP has been left out of the equation - and we are being lumped into the barrel with the shrill voices from the far right.
Here is how I see it.
I truly believe that the majority of Americans AGREE on all the major issues facing this country, including "family values."
WE AGREE!!!! Yet, we are in each other's faces and feel alienated from one another.
Tell me if I am wrong.
The majority of Americans see these as major issues and we AGREE on these issues.
1. Healthcare Reform. Is there really anyone out there who thinks we DO NOT NEED healthcare reform? Is there anyone out there who believes our system provides care at reasonable prices? Is there anyone out there who thinks it is fine when a family has to declare bankruptcy due to medical bills?
2. Education. Is there any family out there who DOES NOT WANT a quality education for their children?
3. Illegal Immigration. Is there anyone out there who would want to prohibit another human being from immigrating to our country? I don't think so! Can't we all agree that what we expect are for people who want to come here to do so legally?
4. Balanced budget. Is there really anyone living in this country and paying taxes who thinks it is fine that we not only have a huge national debt, but that we are going even further into debt daily? And we are borrowing money from other countries, with China being the big lender?
5. Outsourcing of jobs. Is there actually a person in this country who is fine w/ corporations outsourcing jobs - and putting Americans out of work? Why are our leaders not doing something to address this issue? Let's face it - if our citizens don't have jobs - then how the heck can we pay off the national debt? No taxes, no money in our coffers! Yet, no one is talking about this issue.
My belief is that we all basically agree on these issues - but the problems come in when we can't seem to come to agreement on how we address and solve these issues. That is why it is a GOOD THING there are two parties in this country. There needs to be discussion, debate and solutions brought to the table - not name-calling and dishonesty.
#2 Right wingers want good education for their children but not those "other" people. ...Hence they zone their own wealthy school districts to keep out the riff raff, they want tax breaks for private school, they don't want taxes to fund public Universities.
#5 Right wingers will not help on outsourcing whatsover. They welcome it....They even grease the skids so it can happen faster.
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Consider this trend even in the hallowed halls of our own government... the politicians themselves are sick to death with their own parties enough to jump ship (from BOTH sides of the aisle). We're due for radical changes, but it absolutely needs to be tempered by conservative guidance rooted firmly in constitutionality. Instead we have passive aggressive nonsense in legislative branch because they aren't the majority. 
