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Unread 07-02-2009, 11:15 PM
 
Location: southern california
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whyt why why
if we bailout rich banks its rugged american entrepeneur but when we have group healthcare so we dont have to die in the job working for medical its dirty commie activity.
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Unread 07-02-2009, 11:25 PM
 
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Do you know how many "deadbeats" there are vs people who really can't afford insurance ?
I think there are more who cannot afford it, than there are deadbeats.
I would guess that for every deadbeat, there are 75,000 more who just can't afford it.

For the Fed to come in and fine folks who already cannot afford it sort of defeats the purpose altogether.
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Unread 07-03-2009, 12:02 AM
 
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That is because if you remember Obama himself said making all american buy insurance was impossible and he beleive under his plan 15 millio would chose not to.But now that he is looking for money the story changes and he wants to force everyone to insure. He also said he would not tax employer provided insurance as income and took McCain to task for proposing to tax it as such but aloow each person like 15000 a year deduction.He also now admits that he will raise taxes on those below 250000 by placing Cap and trade into effrdect not to even mention the healthcare changes.
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Unread 07-03-2009, 12:33 AM
 
Location: Reeds Spring, MO
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You don't pay your own way. You don't have insurance. Where do you think you will go if you get into a serious accident? The emergency room and and a 30K bill. Who do you think will pay that?

Actually I was in an accident and the bill was 410k. I worked out a payment plan with the hospital thank you. Now instead of cable, I pay my medical bill. So how is that not paying my own way? Because I do not have medical insurance? Thanks, I will keep my money for when I need it. And I will pay my bills as I have to.
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Unread 07-03-2009, 12:47 AM
 
Location: Sonoita
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Good for him!

I'm tired of people not buying heath care insurance and going to my local hospital emergency room and stiffing them with the bill!

Who do you think winds up paying for that?


Stop being dead beats wingnuts!
Smells like illegal immigrants to me. Free hospital, free clinics, etc and Arizona or California pays the bills. Or should I say taxpayers, legal people who work for a living.
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Unread 07-03-2009, 12:49 AM
 
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Actually I was in an accident and the bill was 410k. I worked out a payment plan with the hospital thank you. Now instead of cable, I pay my medical bill. So how is that not paying my own way? Because I do not have medical insurance? Thanks, I will keep my money for when I need it. And I will pay my bills as I have to.
No you are not anywhere near paying 410K bill back by forgoing your cable bill...LOL....The hospital got taken and you are paying back a small fraction of their costs.

Just at 3% interest (enough to keep up with inflation) you'd be forking over $1000 per Month. That's not even paying down the principal...LOL

Cable bill my ass!
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Unread 07-03-2009, 12:59 AM
 
Location: Connecticut
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I wonder when people will realize that it's not a left or right issue anymore.
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Unread 07-03-2009, 01:54 AM
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What does a fine have to do with socialism? Do you even know what socialism is?

When a state fines you for not carrying auto insurance, is that socialism?
The difference is that cars are optional for living. In this case, if you are alive you will be fined if you don't sign up for insurance. This is the wrong way, because the bureaucracy to do this will be crazy (fine people, chase after them, take legal action, etc...). They might as well just take it out of the paycheck like other taxes.
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Unread 07-03-2009, 02:25 AM
 
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The problem I have with the $1000 fine is this... $1000 and you get no health care after paying the fine.... but if the companies pay a LESSER fine of $750, that person gets health care? Why would a company pay a lesser fine and and the person wins out? Say to another individual, you pay a higher fine and get nothing at the same time... I don't understand what logic the government is operating on.... its bizarre...
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Unread 07-03-2009, 03:31 AM
 
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It seems to be getting crazy-a$$ed socialist stupid outside.
Midterm elections are looking better and better. 1994 redux!
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