Goodbye, Gringo America (independence, crime, party, governor)

[AlexJones]

[ray1945]

Originally Posted by roysoldboy

I belonged to a union once but when they admitted they were a teachers' union I withdrew. I am not a support of unions which makes me right leaning and that means we don't appreciate the same kind of stories. You is a lefty and I is a righty so we will have to agree to disagree on most things.

You belonged to a union but did not know what kind of union it was??? Why would you join a 'stealth' union?

[MsMcQ LV]

Originally Posted by Casper in Dallas

Nope, visted it once and found it to be a clone of Governor Times, not into wasting my time listening to people act like bad children, and that IMO is about all some sites are about. I know Roy and some others here from the Ft Worth Star site, then the National site, onto Ketstrels World then GT, many opinions written and heard over the years.
Casper

I only know him from one or two of the listed sites and I only bother to read his threads for the laughs they provide. As for the OP and the subject of the article in his link, this is really nothing new. I've been hearing about such nonsense most of my life and I ain't no 'spring chicken'!

[MsMcQ LV]

Originally Posted by meson

Is that what it is now? He invited me to join when he first started his forum, told me if I want intelligent debate without fear of having my posts deleted by the mods I should join. Checked it out once I think but never went back.

I actually joined the site, but found it to be too 'graphic intense'. My ancient computer simply cannot handle it and scrolling is so sloooow!

[BlackShoe]

Originally Posted by R_Cowgirl

BTW - the Spaniards at that time were "Moors" - they were Muslims.The Moors were ruling Spain when Spain took over what is now the American Southwest and Mexico. The Mexican culture is - in many ways - the way it is because they have these Muslim Roots - and were Muslim for hundreds of years. While we think of Mexico as largely Catholic, it is a Catholicism built on Muslim roots.

Not really.At no time during the Moorish occupation did they completely elininate all Christian enclaves and influence,there was always resistence to the Moors.Many Spanish families had no Muslim or Arabic roots.The Moors were finally expelled forever in 1492,ironically,the year of the Columbus discovery of the New World.On a modern note,lets look at this "Atzlan" and "Reconquista" nonsense.Take a map of Mexico and lay a ruler across the tip of Baja California at a 90 degree angle and draw a line through mainland Mexico.When Hernan Cortes landed in 1519,Aztec dominence ended north of this line.Yes,there was trade and some influence to the north,but not domination.North of this line lived dozens of other tribes,some quite powerful,that were not under the Aztec boot.This idea that modern Mestizos and Indians whose ancestors lived in what is now Yucatan and Chiapas have some claim to the American Southwest is an absurdity that has no basis in historical facts.If anything,dozens of tribes that were native to our Southwest would have a more valid claim to the area.For more than three centuries first the Spanish and then the Mexicans were hated and warred upon by these tribes and viewed as hated invaders.Taking just one example,the Apaches had a burning hatred for the Spanish and Mexicans that exceeded their wrath directed at Americans,and raided and killed them at every opportunity.

[Rggr]

Originally Posted by Repubocrat

It must suck being a GOP supporter. You live in your life in constant fear everyday as they expect you to.

It's just a different fear. Some people would rather perish in the coming floods and environmental disaster that Al Gore has warned us about than through ethnic cleansing.

[Casper in Dallas]

Originally Posted by BlackShoe

Not really.At no time during the Moorish occupation did they completely elininate all Christian enclaves and influence,there was always resistence to the Moors.Many Spanish families had no Muslim or Arabic roots.The Moors were finally expelled forever in 1492,ironically,the year of the Columbus discovery of the New World.On a modern note,lets look at this "Atzlan" and "Reconquista" nonsense.Take a map of Mexico and lay a ruler across the tip of Baja California at a 90 degree angle and draw a line through mainland Mexico.When Hernan Cortes landed in 1519,Aztec dominence ended north of this line.Yes,there was trade and some influence to the north,but not domination.North of this line lived dozens of other tribes,some quite powerful,that were not under the Aztec boot.This idea that modern Mestizos and Indians whose ancestors lived in what is now Yucatan and Chiapas have some claim to the American Southwest is an absurdity that has no basis in historical facts.If anything,dozens of tribes that were native to our Southwest would have a more valid claim to the area.For more than three centuries first the Spanish and then the Mexicans were hated and warred upon by these tribes and viewed as hated invaders.Taking just one example,the Apaches had a burning hatred for the Spanish and Mexicans that exceeded their wrath directed at Americans,and raided and killed them at every opportunity.

I actually agree with that entire post, you got your history down correctly. I would only add one comment, the Muslims did not really try to remove all Christians or Jews living in Spain during their occupation. The Christians were on a self declared Holy War to get Spain back so the tolerance was less simply because the Muslim rules could not trust the Christians that lived under their rule to behave themselves, which they didn't. The Jews were tolerated and allowed to live in peace for the most part as long as they followed the laws. Unlike when the Christians did retake Spain they drove out or killed all the Muslims and treated the Jews an enemy living amoung them and made them renouce their faith or burn for it. When one truely looks at the Muslims and Christians during those days of Spains history it is obvious that the Muslims were the better rulers. What Spanish fortune hunters did in Mexico and South America proves their true nature at the time.
Anyway, that said he rest was dead on.
One final comment on this threads subject, there have always been groups out there making similar claims, they will be able to do nothing and know it, but then afain they are getting attention and it is what they truely crave. Leave em to law enforcement and forget em.
Casper

[Leovigildo]

The Spaniards, as has been pointed out, were on an imperialist quest when they came to the new world and killed everyone in sight, or moved them out of the way. (Yes, that's why you don't find Indians in Latin America, they were exterminated like rats and confined in reservations, just like in Nort America) Many of the group we call "illegals" are of Mayan descent, (Not Mexicans, Mayans were in the Yucatan peninsula and Central America) and their ancestors were cruelly treated by the Spaniards (No, Spain conquered Mexico by making truces and pacts with rivals of Aztecs). BTW - the Spaniards at that time were "Moors" - they were Muslims. When the Moors Ruled Spain The Moors were ruling Spain when Spain took over what is now the American Southwest and Mexico. (The last Moorish Territory in Spain was conquered in 1492 - All Moorish were expelled from Spain during the XVIth century) The Mexican culture is - in many ways - the way it is because they have these Muslim Roots (B.S from a deranged mind) - and were Muslim for hundreds of years. While we think of Mexico as largely Catholic, it is a Catholicism built on Muslim roots (Are you on drugs or something?, Catholics massacred everything Islamic in Spain). Also, as Carlos Mencia points out regularly, this is why it is sometimes hard to tell the difference between the Arabs using our porous border to come across and the usual gaggle of Mexican workers (You need psyquiatric advice, really).

[Leovigildo]

I actually agree with that entire post, you got your history down correctly. I would only add one comment, the Muslims did not really try to remove all Christians or Jews living in Spain during their occupation (Very few invaders, it was a mass conversion since it was easier to be Islamic and you could live under Islam being Christian or Jew). The Christians were on a self declared Holy War to get Spain back so the tolerance was less simply because the Muslim rules could not trust the Christians that lived under their rule to behave themselves, which they didn't. (Not really, Islam became more intolerant due to invading fanatics from North Africa) The Jews were tolerated and allowed to live in peace for the most part as long as they followed the laws. Unlike when the Christians did retake Spain they drove out or killed all the Muslims and treated the Jews an enemy living amoung them and made them renouce their faith or burn for it. When one truely looks at the Muslims and Christians during those days of Spains history it is obvious that the Muslims were the better rulers (Depending on the century). What Spanish fortune hunters did in Mexico and South America proves their true nature at the time (Well, more humane that killing Indians as vermins, as illegal English settlers did in America).
Anyway, that said he rest was dead on.
One final comment on this threads subject, there have always been groups out there making similar claims, they will be able to do nothing and know it, but then afain they are getting attention and it is what they truely crave. Leave em to law enforcement and forget em.
Casper

[Leovigildo]

Originally Posted by ArizonaBear

Funny; the White Hispanics subjugated the Aztecs, etc. yet la raza embraces the conquistador by holding on to an archaic form of Spanish culture.

Hypocrites.

PS: the Aztecs never ranged as far north as our American Southwest.

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Mexico is a country based on Three Cultures. Amerindian, Spanish and Mestizo. Their culture is Spanish, their religion, Catholic. They don't have to resort to Spanish culture, it's part of their background.

Aztecs were originary from the American Southwest. That area, Texas and California was settled by Spain through Misiones and fortified cities (XVII and XVIII) that in many cases, pacified those fiery tribes.

New Mexico, for instance, was settled by Spain during the XVIIIth Century. There are Spanish settlers still living in Taos.