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Old 07-15-2009, 06:56 AM
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Originally Posted by chielgirl View Post
Let's see, Obama won the election, by a pretty decent margin.
You understand that there are millions and millions of voters out there who voted for Obama.

The Dems won, sounds more like sour grapes than anything.
Doesn't matter if everyone voted for Obama. He is still a public servant and must abide by the Constitution. Otherwise, very bad things can happen to him and anyone associated with violating those parameters. Either politically, or otherwise.
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Old 07-15-2009, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Fred314X View Post
And what was the likelihood of someone appearing on FOX to say good things about the Obama administration? Surprise--there wasn't a chance!
Google it, he's been on CNN, etc. Maybe instead of spewing your anti Fox comments you should listen to him!
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:22 AM
Location: Gone
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Originally Posted by cdne View Post
Celente gave his solution, "get government out of the economy". Apparently that is not a solution the left wants to consider.Or the right, since Bush started the ball rolling. In reality the government has less control over the economy than most believe, it comes down to businesses and consumer confidence and how they spend their money.

The federal government bailed out Chrysler and GM to "keep them solvent", and each took bankruptcy anyway. Are we, as AMERICANS, better off having poured in BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars into bankrupt companies rather than letting them seek bankruptcy on their own? Are Chrysler and GM better companies now that the unions and the federal government are major shareholders, and the original shareholders are left with little or nothing? I don't think so. GM should not have gotten a penny, they were in deep doo before the market went south due to their own poor business choices. As for the majority of companies that recieved bailout funds, I was against it. I could have understood some selective help but for the most part bankruptcy should have been the resolution for them. We would have taken a bigger hit but would have lasted a much shorter period of time.

Celente is correct, this is economic fascism which has taken over our economy. Why is a government dominated economy better than one dominated by corrupt CEOs? Both have their own power agendas, and the taxpayer is footing the bill in both cases. For taxpayers it is a LOSE/LOSE situation. In that we disagree, we will have to wait and see how long the government remains an active player in any companies, but if they gave a company Millions or even Billions they should have a say, they are after all an invester at that point.

The government DEMANDED a $787 BILLION dollar stimulus, rammed it through both houses without debate or even reading the bill, and filled it with pet projects and earmarks. Has the economy gotten better BECAUSE of it?Again, I was and still am against the bailout as it was and is being done. As for has it improved things, I would say it has somewhat, and may have prevented even further slipping, we will have to see when it comes to the long term.

Sometimes doing nothing is better than rush to a mistake.
I do not think doing nothing was the answer but what we did and are doing is probably going too far.
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:31 AM
Location: Gone
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Originally Posted by floridasandy View Post
conservatives were against the bailouts before ANY of them happened! You must have missed it when Bush started the ball rolling.conservatives have pointed out time and again the cost of illegal immigration to american citizens,Please point out where any Indes or Libs have supported illegal immigration, your point is? but has one liberal addressed this subject? Sure they have, you must have missed those also, has one liberal addressed the cost of illegal immigration to our healthcare system and how "a pathway to citizenship" is going to cost americans plenty?Once again your reading seems selective haven't there been plenty of posts on the financial implications of cap and trade and the damage it can do to our country? I am against cap and trade, most of the libs I have seen post on the subject seem to also be against or warry of it also,has one liberal addressed the problems that california is having or are they just sidestepping around it while conservatives comment on the stateThere is an entire thread dedicated to the subject, read it and see where libs have addressed it?

i see plenty of conservatives with solutions, but not one liberal is listening!
I see few solutions being suggested by the right, maybe I missed it. Suggesting that Cal got it wrong, in case you forgot they have a Repub as their Gov, is not a suggestion. Suggesting that illegals are draining our system is not a Repub suggestion, that applies to both sides. The solution, the only one that would work, is to go after those that hire them, fences will not work, an armed border will not either, take away the reason they come here and the problem will be solved. Why is it that our government has not done that? Why is it that Bush was one of the biggest backers of amnesty? Anyway, still waiting for solutions from the right, until then.....
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:33 AM
Location: Charlotte, NC
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Originally Posted by lilypad View Post
The dimwitted need repetition, repeatedly.

Brought to you by the Dept of Redundancy Dept.
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:57 AM
Location: Portland, Oregon
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He also predicted massive tax rebellions in 2008 (December 2007 edition of Celente's Trends Journal publication).

At the end of 2005 he predicted that the states will secede from the United States (^ Manning, Anita (2000-12-14). USA Today: pp. 11D)

In 1998 he predicted a "Mad Cow" volatility and massive negative correction (^ Greco, Matthew (1998-02-16). "How about Mad Prognosticator Disease?". Investor Relations Business.)

In 1994 he predicted the rate of violent crime would increase exponentially (^ Manning, Anita (1993-12-22). "Life in '94 will offer glimpse into next century". USA Today: pp. 1D.).

He has missed his political predictions, in 1992, 2000, and 2004.

If you say enough crap about doom and gloom every year, you will be right every once and awhile. If you ignore his misses and just tout his hits it's a facility of logic, you must look at the whole.
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Old 07-15-2009, 09:23 AM
Location: here.
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Originally Posted by OldTex View Post
Gerald Celente of Trends Research Institute is predicting dire things for our future (food riots, tax protests, strikes, high unemployment, tent cities, empty malls, et cetera).

For those interested, here's a video of his most recent appearance on FOX outlining his predictions about the coming Obamageddon.


Bush had 71% disapproval and no riots but Obama has 60+% approval and on Fixed News they are predicting end of the world
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