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Old 07-10-2009, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Kerby W-R View Post
No troll here.
There is way too much hate mongering in the U.S. and these people are
more than willing to dish it out.
If they insist on hating someone they could start with Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld who got us in to the quagmire in Iraq. They are behind the 9/11
cover-up, as well.
LMAO! The left is the party of conspiracy theories. What a looneytoon!
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Old 07-10-2009, 01:26 PM
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I have always voted Republican, that is until this ;ast election. I do not like what is happening in the Republican party at the moment. It seems to have lost all direction and has turned to criticism just for the sake of criticising. During the last election and after the election there has now now been a crop of self rightous right wing saviours who feel that they must save America from Obama.
People like Hannity,Limbaugh,Rove,Gingriech,Beck,Morris etc are becoming too big for their own boots. Disagreeing is one thing but they are no longer just disagreeing. Hannity talks down and talks over anyone who disagrees with him. Limbaugh seems to just want to sensationalize every issue. Beck just cannot stop crying. The rest are just trying to sell their books.
They are all beginning to sound hateful. They are losing their effectiveness because they criticise everything, even if it is a good idea. This is not to help America but just campaigning for the next election. They just cannot move past the Fact that the Dem's are now in Power. Maybe their kind of attitude is one of the reasons that the Dems have swept the board and people like me voted against their own party.
O'Reilly is the only one at present worth watching.
If Hannity etc want to really help America, then stop these futile gestures like tea parties and criticise what needs to be criticised but support things that will help America like a new health system.
Yes they have become hateful but that is a sign of weakness not a sign of strength or intelligence.
Hitchcock, you got it severely wrong my friend. Those people you mentioned appeal to Americans who want the constitution upheld and not p*ss all over it. If it wasn't for people like them, we would still be bowing to a king, not like we aren't now anyway. Putting our country into serious debt, having a bazillion czars, controlling the free markets, believing in falsehoods such as global warming and that we can actually control it, cap and trade, etc. IS NOT THE CHANGE WE WERE SOLD ON! If that's how you think a country should be run, move to Europe.
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Old 07-10-2009, 01:43 PM
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Here we go again..Party bashing.
The real "principle" is that we are Americans first, party members second and not the other way around as some would like us to believe on here.
Maybe it's easy to blame your opposing party for all of America's ills. Maybe it fills some need in some people to just hatefully attack the opposing party, no matter what they do. Whatever the reason it is just plain Dumb! Both parties get things wrong and both parties get things right.
It is our job as Americans to vote out a party when they get it wrong. It is our job as Americans to debate a argument but not just criticise for the sake of criticising... We could all do that, no matter what party you belong to.
As far as immigration is concerned, the ball was dropped a long time ago. Bush really should have made it a high priority security issue as soon as we went into Iraq or after 9/11, but he didn't. He was my man but he let us all down. Obama is now my commander in chief and he has a lot of mess to clear up. If he fails we can vote him out. No good attacking a enemy until you have enough intel on them to launch a succesful attack. No point criticising Obama until he has been in office long enough for us to form a real opinion about his leadership. He has only just become President so let's wait and see if he deserves our respect or our distain. All this anti Obama hate campaign is way too premature.
Too early to form a real opinion about his leadership? Get your head out of your a$$ dude. Can you honestly say that you are proud and happy of the direction we are going? If you can, then you have to deal with people not liking you, because where we are headed is not going to be good for anyone...period.
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Old 07-10-2009, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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First I want to thank you for your service to our country. And I completely understand your point about how the perception that this nation is divided emboldens our enemies. Having fought in Viet Nam when the peaceniks in this country were doing everything in their power to bring this country to its knees I know that helped prolong a winable war. The same people who marched in the streets in the 60's and 70's now control Congress, the schools and the media. You'll notice that there has been no criticism from the right about Obama's handling of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. If anything, it's come from the left. On the other hand the notion that criticizing the Obama administration and the Democrat Congress over domestic policy and non-war related foreign policies is "spitting venom and being hateful" is purely a partisan reaction and I reject it out of hand. But speaking of "spitting venom" did you happen to see Rosie O'Donnell and Keith Olbermann during the Bush administration?

Do you really think Vietnam was a winable war. A war fought to impose on the Vietnamese people a government John Foster Dulles conjured up in 1954 and the US military struggled for 12 years to make a reality. Thats what 58000 Americans died for. When we left most of your equipment didn't and was given to ARVN. When the Democratic Republic of Vietnam forces decided to kick the rotten door in it only took a month to chase ARVN the whole length of the country and collect most of that equipment. The Vietnamese still use UH-1s and most of their armor and artillery is American. They even have C-130s and F-5s. Vietnam put this equipment to good use destroying the Khmer Rouge (even they sickened Hanoi) and kicking China in the butt in 1979 when China decided to punish Hanoi for wiping out its ally in Kampuchea. So something good did come of Americas effort.
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Old 07-10-2009, 09:24 PM
 
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So when are Republicans going to nominate a real conservative? I keep reading that Bush wasn't a conservative, and a lot of people say McCain wasn't a real conservative either.

Don't tell me - Sarah Palin?

Ron Paul and just a few others are true conservatives. Otherwise the party is dead. The same for the Democrats. Im not sure who is a true Kennedy-Roosevelt Demo anymore. They're all out of sync.
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Old 07-10-2009, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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LMAO! The left is the party of conspiracy theories. What a looneytoon!
Pay attention to the posts on this forum. The right is at least as full of conspiracy theories. Here's a recent discussion to prove my point:

Which of the following are true about Obama?
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Old 07-10-2009, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Oh, this is rich - after 8 years of deranged hate from the left.

The next 3 1/2 years should be fun - a little payback is in order.
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Old 07-10-2009, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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[quote=JimMe;9692829]You're kidding, right? Do you really think that the opposition to Obama's policies is an indication that "the long tradition of the peaceful transfer of power... is under attack" and that this is a new phenomenon?
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Yes. In recent history, absolutely. Generally people give a president a grace period and allow him to govern for some time before rendering
judgments on his competence; that rule doesn't apply to Obama; he and his wife have been vilified by the right wing since he announced his candidacy. They had no idea what his policies were, nor did they care enough to research them. Perhaps you've missed the odd post calling for rebellion, encouraging secession from the United States and a blatant
wish that some violence befall the President, but many of us remember them quite well. And perhaps you could provide a link showing a striking number of Democrats calling for secession, rebellion or violence after any presidential election in the past 75 years.
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There has been no president in American history who has been so vilified as GWB. Even before he was inaugurated in 2001 Dems and their media acolytes were determined to de-legitimze his presidency. So cry me no tears over the fact that Obama is trying to drag a center right nation in an extreme left direction and is meeting resistance. What happened to "Dissent is patriotic?"[/quote from JimMe
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Hogwash. And honestly...the best you can do is to say, "You treated my guy dirty so I'm gonna do that to your guy?" That is schoolyard thinking,
and the problems we face are too grave for such juvenile behavior as that.
Bush enjoyed high approval ratings during his first year in office, and after
9/11 they were astronomical...well into the 90th percentile. Then he chose to attack Iraq, and questions about his judgment arose when he allowed Rumsfeld to second-guess the military regarding the number of troops needed. You see, we gave Bush the respect due him, until it began to become clear that we were being lied to and manipulated...then some people began to vilify Bush. Your crowd, on the other hand, has made it
abundantly clear that Obama can't even breathe in a matter that satisfies you. So...your guy does well for 21 months in office before the criticism became more vocal; our guy has never gotten the respect accorded to other presidents. The GOP has become a party of truculent and non-creative thinkers, whose big contribution to getting America back on her feet consists of attacking and refusing to work with President Obama.
The American people are watching, and will remember which party sat and
fiddled while the U.S. was burning. I heard a historian make a comment on the History Channel, about prophecies concerning December 12th of 2012
this evening. He said, "If you aren't able to adapt to change, you'll die from your own fear." Think about it.
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Old 07-10-2009, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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Bush enjoyed high approval ratings during his first year in office, and after
9/11 they were astronomical...well into the 90th percentile. Then he chose to attack Iraq, and questions about his judgment arose when he allowed Rumsfeld to second-guess the military regarding the number of troops needed. You see, we gave Bush the respect due him, until it began to become clear that we were being lied to and manipulated...then some people began to vilify Bush. Your crowd, on the other hand, has made it
abundantly clear that Obama can't even breathe in a matter that satisfies you. So...your guy does well for 21 months in office before the criticism became more vocal; our guy has never gotten the respect accorded to other presidents.
Excellent observations. They didn't even wait until he was in office. The attacks on Obama began less than 48 hours after he was elected President.

From Rush Limbaugh, November 6, 2008:

"The Obama recession is in full swing, ladies and gentlemen. Stocks are dying, which is a precursor of things to come. This is an Obama recession. Might turn into a depression. He hasn't done anything yet but his ideas are killing the economy."

Obama Recession in Full Swing
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Old 07-11-2009, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Yes. In recent history, absolutely. Generally people give a president a grace period and allow him to govern for some time before rendering
judgments on his competence; that rule doesn't apply to Obama; he and his wife have been vilified by the right wing since he announced his candidacy. They had no idea what his policies were, nor did they care enough to research them. Perhaps you've missed the odd post calling for rebellion, encouraging secession from the United States and a blatant
wish that some violence befall the President, but many of us remember them quite well. And perhaps you could provide a link showing a striking number of Democrats calling for secession, rebellion or violence after any presidential election in the past 75 years.

************************************************** *******

Hogwash. And honestly...the best you can do is to say, "You treated my guy dirty so I'm gonna do that to your guy?" That is schoolyard thinking,
and the problems we face are too grave for such juvenile behavior as that.
Bush enjoyed high approval ratings during his first year in office, and after
9/11 they were astronomical...well into the 90th percentile. Then he chose to attack Iraq, and questions about his judgment arose when he allowed Rumsfeld to second-guess the military regarding the number of troops needed. You see, we gave Bush the respect due him, until it began to become clear that we were being lied to and manipulated...then some people began to vilify Bush. Your crowd, on the other hand, has made it
abundantly clear that Obama can't even breathe in a matter that satisfies you. So...your guy does well for 21 months in office before the criticism became more vocal; our guy has never gotten the respect accorded to other presidents. The GOP has become a party of truculent and non-creative thinkers, whose big contribution to getting America back on her feet consists of attacking and refusing to work with President Obama.
The American people are watching, and will remember which party sat and
fiddled while the U.S. was burning. I heard a historian make a comment on the History Channel, about prophecies concerning December 12th of 2012
this evening. He said, "If you aren't able to adapt to change, you'll die from your own fear." Think about it.
Nice revision of history, but pure liberal fantasy nonetheless. In the 2000 election, for the first time in US history, Democrats challenge the General Election in the courts. Their shrill ignorant voices scream about stealing an election and having an illegitimate President, even to this day. Bush was hated and reviled by liberals before he was even inaugurated. There was no fictitious "grace period."

When Democrats gained control of the Senate in June 2001 they opposed absolutely everything Bush proposed or nominated and ultimately blocked 88 of Bush's judicial appointees, not caring whether or not they were good for the nation, but opposed it merely because Bush proposed it or nominated them. So nobody buys your blatant lie about "we gave Bush the respect due him" nonsense. The criticism of Bush's administration by the liberals and their media lackeys began on day one of Bush's first term.

In March 2003, as the attack of Iraq began, Bush had an 86% approval rating and it drove you anti-American liberal freaks crazy. So you manufactured more lies about being misinformed and attributed them to Bush, and now you believe your own lies. Well, nobody ever accused Democrats of being particularly bright.

Americans are indeed watching, and we see who is doing the burning of the nation - liberal freaks. For the first time in US history, Democrats put into power someone who truly hates the very nation he is suppose to lead.
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