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Old 07-08-2009, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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Interesting to see all of the allegations that people who voted for Obama are less intelligent. Yes, his biggest margin of victory was with those who never completed high school, but his second-biggest margin of victory was with those who hold postgraduate degrees. He also won the segment of the population that makes over $200,000/year.

Local Exit Polls - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com
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Old 07-08-2009, 05:12 PM
 
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What is this the twilight zone??? The EXACT OPPOSITE is true. If Obama or Oberman or Huffington spews it it must be true. DEMS are the absolute Kings of failing to fact check and think logically.
I am pressed for time, so you'll have to make do with one example:

Zogby poll, september 2006:

"Do you agree or disagree that there was a connection between Saddam Hussein and the 9/11 terror attacks?"

Republicans: 65% agree, 30% disagree.
Democrats: 32% agree, 65% disagree.

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Old 07-08-2009, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Interesting to see all of the allegations that people who voted for Obama are less intelligent. Yes, his biggest margin of victory was with those who never completed high school, but his second-biggest margin of victory was with those who hold postgraduate degrees. He also won the segment of the population that makes over $200,000/year.

Local Exit Polls - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com
Unfortunately, that seems like a very imbalanced population. The uneducated and the pseudo-intelligent overeducated crowd.
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Old 07-08-2009, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Speaking as a resident alien who can't even vote, it doesn't make me mad, it makes me - unhappy, I guess. It's rather disheartening to watch people take a privilege so lightly. But "no taxation without representation" is a pretty sound principle. If people can take part in society - without going to jail or to a mental institution - they deserve their say on how society should be run. Few enough vote as it is.

And as has been pointed out above, it's been tried and seriously abused not so very long ago.

Because that's the problem: The "test" would immediately become politicized. The temptation to somehow block dumb rednecks/worthless welfare cases (please pick, according to political view) from voting would be immense.

Excellent Post!
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Old 07-08-2009, 05:18 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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I am starting to think that maybe people should have to take a basic test in order to be registered to vote. It seems to me that most people in this country no more about Michael Jackson, the NFL, or Spencer Pratt than they know about issues that have enormous impacts on all of our lives. The test would cover:

Basic Economics
Basic Current Events
Basic U.S. History
Basic World History

Should someone be allowed to vote that can't point to Europe on a map, or can't tell you what supply equals?
That would usher in a new "Jim Crow" era.

A better question is why are ballots in some states printed in multiple languages. You have to be a citizen to vote and to become a citizen you're supposed to have a working knowledge of English.

There are currently no laws against lack of education (making it through school as a functionmal illiterate), ignorance or cognitive impairment.
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Old 07-08-2009, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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For those of you engaged in the "right to vote" argument, read this.

The Right to Vote
The author of the article is both right and wrong, depending on what vote you are talking about. The 15th, 19th, 24th, and 26th Amendments of the US Constitution states that citizens of the US do have the right to vote. Which makes the author's statement "And yet the right to vote is not a fundamental right in our Constitution" incorrect. However, with regard specifically electing a President, he is correct. The popular vote for President was created by the States in 1824 and is not included within the US Constitution.

With regard to his statement "Yet when I ask them about the denial of voting representation in Congress to District of Columbia citizens, or about the denial of ex-felons' voting rights in most states." Again, he is both right and wrong. Citizens of DC do have the right to vote for their Mayor and Assembly, but since it is a district and not a State, they do not have any right to vote for representation in Congress. DC does elect representatives, but they cannot vote in the House because DC is not a State. This also applies to any US territory. With regard to felons, all four of those amendments I pointed out above begin with "The right of citizens of the United States..." Which implies that felons are no longer citizens of the US, and therefore not entitled to the right citizens possess.

Finally, he wants "An amendment for direct election of the American President and Vice President." but completely ignores the fact that the founding fathers never intended for the people to vote for President or VP. It was the intent of the founding fathers that States should determine who should be President and VP, not the people.

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Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

Source: Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the US Constitution
So it really depends on which vote you are referring. Every US citizen, who is 18 or older, has the constitutionally protected right to vote in local elections. No one, other than State Legislatures, has the constitutional right to elect a President or VP.
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Old 07-08-2009, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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I am pressed for time, so you'll have to make do with one example:

Zogby poll, september 2006:

"Do you agree or disagree that there was a connection between Saddam Hussein and the 9/11 terror attacks?"

Republicans: 65% agree, 30% disagree.
Democrats: 32% agree, 65% disagree.
That is one poll. Good grief, people could go back and forth all night with examples and that doesn't prove anything.
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Old 07-08-2009, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Interesting to see all of the allegations that people who voted for Obama are less intelligent. Yes, his biggest margin of victory was with those who never completed high school, but his second-biggest margin of victory was with those who hold postgraduate degrees. He also won the segment of the population that makes over $200,000/year.

Local Exit Polls - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com
Which only proves that being over-educated is no better than being under-educated.
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Old 07-08-2009, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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Which only proves that being over-educated is no better than being under-educated.
That does seem to be the Republican philosophy of late.
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Old 07-08-2009, 05:24 PM
 
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I am pressed for time, so you'll have to make do with one example:

Zogby poll, september 2006:

"Do you agree or disagree that there was a connection between Saddam Hussein and the 9/11 terror attacks?"

Republicans: 65% agree, 30% disagree.
Democrats: 32% agree, 65% disagree.
The wingnuts will surely ignore this post.
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