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Old 07-09-2009, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Nuclear waste lasts for hundreds of thousands of years. What do you think we are going to do with it in the future when it's spilling out into our backyards?
I'm sure we can come up with solutions to the problem.

You didn't answer the question - France and Japan are heavily dependent on nuclear energy - how do they manage?

When's the last time you heard of an accident?

Chernobyl & 3 Mile - that's it.
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:41 PM
 
Location: NYC
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It would be possible if we didn't have stupid resistance from people who "don't want to see them". That's right! New York State (most of Western NYS) and coastal MA have excellent/ideal wind sites. Yet it's close to impossible to get a wind power plant up and running in this area because people find every stupid excuse on the book to oppose them. People make up stories about turbines being bad for their cattle (I'm not joking) or say they might be a hazard for endangered species 100 miles away . (Of course this halts development because now the developers must spend months, sometimes years, doing environmental studies for a 100-mile radius ) It's so expensive to get a Wind farm developed and built in New York State it's actually cheaper to get our power from other states. It has nothing to do with the area not being ideal for Wind farms. It has everything to do with ignorance and special interest groups playing this same ignorance and using it to keep coal as the main source of power for us in the North East.


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But is that truly realistic, particularly in the land locked north east where coal dominates? Will you be able to completely and consistently replace the kilowatts generated by the coal plants no matter the wind/weather conditions?

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Old 07-09-2009, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I'm sure we can come up with solutions to the problem.

You didn't answer the question - France and Japan are heavily dependent on nuclear energy - how do they manage?

When's the last time you heard of an accident?

Chernobyl & 3 Mile - that's it.
You forget about how many nuke boats Russia built that failed...
Its the waste that concerns many. I am not opposed to Nuclear energy. I am opposed to stock piling the waste in hopes of a better disposal someday in the future.
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:50 PM
 
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Even if it's just trading one greenhouse gas emission for another, I'd still rather move away from our dependence on foreign oil.

I guess some people are against anything and everything associated with liberals (or whatever the opposing viewpoint is). Glad I'm not one of them.
I cannot remember if you ever voiced a opinion on drilling offshore from our own country? Anyways I think we need to put pressure back on our elected officials to do just that.
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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One solution (as already mentioned) is nuclear power and we should seriously consider it. And for those who don't think I'll put my money on it or that I'll go all NIMBY, you read it here: I have no problem with the idea of living within a few miles of a nuclear reactor. Build 'em.

Here's some interesting reading:

Waste Management in the Nuclear Fuel Cycle : Nuclear Waste Disposal : World Nuclear Association
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:51 PM
 
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One more fallacy of the environ-wackos down the toilet.

Never mind the fact it is ugly as all hell - and I would never put my kids in that deathtrap.
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:52 PM
 
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I'm sure we can come up with solutions to the problem.
There is no solution to nuclear waste. It lasts for hundreds of thousands of years and is just as toxic 600,000 years from now as it is today. The only solution is to not produce it in the first place.


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You didn't answer the question - France and Japan are heavily dependent on nuclear energy - how do they manage?
They have no idea how to dispose of it. They admit that fact. The more they make, the bigger the problem. You sound like a big advocate for nuclear energy, so how do you propose we dispose of it. Burying it doesn't work. It leaks. Sealing it in containers doesn't work. It leaks. Sending it to the bottom of the ocean doesn't work. It leaks. Nothing works. It leaks.

So since you are so sure that it's such a great solution to our energy needs, you must know of a full-proof solution for disposing of the waste that the rest of us don't. I can't imagine that you would advocate for nuclear energy unless you are absolutely certain that it won't kill tens of millions of people in the future once the waste builds up. Please do share with the rest of us how you plan to get rid of the waste!

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When's the last time you heard of an accident?

Chernobyl & 3 Mile - that's it.
Right... only tens of thousands dead at Chernobyl. How encouraging. Makes me want to build one of these plants next to my kids school! Yay!

By the way, how many have been killed by solar or wind energy? Just curious...
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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I cannot remember if you ever voiced a opinion on drilling offshore from our own country? Anyways I think we need to put pressure back on our elected officials to do just that.
Yes, I'm very much in favor of offshore drilling, but my understanding is that the amount of oil available off of U.S. shores is very small and would barely make a dent in reducing our dependence on other countries for oil.
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Pa
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There is no solution to nuclear waste. It lasts for hundreds of thousands of years and is just as toxic 600,000 years from now as it is today. The only solution is to not produce it in the first place.




They have no idea how to dispose of it. They admit that fact. The more they make, the bigger the problem. You sound like a big advocate for nuclear energy, so how do you propose we dispose of it. Burying it doesn't work. It leaks. Sealing it in containers doesn't work. It leaks. Sending it to the bottom of the ocean doesn't work. It leaks. Nothing works. It leaks.

So since you are so sure that it's such a great solution to our energy needs, you must know of a full-proof solution for disposing of the waste that the rest of us don't. I can't imagine that you would advocate for nuclear energy unless you are absolutely certain that it won't kill tens of millions of people in the future once the waste builds up. Please do share with the rest of us how you plan to get rid of the waste!



Right... only tens of thousands dead at Chernobyl. How encouraging. Makes me want to build one of these plants next to my kids school! Yay!

By the way, how many have been killed by solar or wind energy? Just curious...
In all Fairness Chernobyl is a classic example of poor design and even worse maintenance. I agree with much of your post but we can not evem begin to compare a a Reactor of Chernobyls design to that of what the USA builds. Apples to oranges.
A Plasma incinerator is a viable solution. It in fact generates power from what it incinerates including toxic waste products.
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Old 07-09-2009, 10:00 PM
 
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Yes, I'm very much in favor of offshore drilling, but my understanding is that the amount of oil available off of U.S. shores is very small and would barely make a dent in reducing our dependence on other countries for oil.
This article has a map you can scroll over to see the amount off each coast.

Worth the risk? Debate on offshore drilling heats up - USATODAY.com
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