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Old 07-10-2009, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Illegal immigrants again in the budget spotlight - Los Angeles Times

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State welfare officials estimate that cutting off payments to illegal immigrants for their U.S.-born children could save about $640 million annually if it survives legal challenges.

California has roughly 2.7 million illegal residents, according to an April 2009 report from the authoritative Pew Hispanic Center, accounting for about 7% of the state's population. State officials estimate that they add between $4 billion and $6 billion in costs, primarily for prisons and jails, schools and emergency rooms. Beyond those services, the illegal population adds to the overall cost of other parts of local government, from police and fire protection to highway maintenance and libraries.
Well, you reap what you sow.
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Old 07-10-2009, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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The article is actually pretty well balanced and thoughtful, presenting a summary of all sides of the issue. The cost to the state in supporting those folks, and the benefit at the federal level through collection of income taxes and social security was something I've considered too. Seems a bit like the federal benefits, so the motivation to crack down on the borders isn't that critical, however the state takes the brunt of the cost.

To me, the single most critical statement was this:

Many state officials have called on the federal government to increase the payments it makes to the state for costs associated with illegal immigrants, because controlling the borders is a federal responsibility. So far, however, Washington lawmakers, faced with large deficits of their own, have not been willing.
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Old 07-10-2009, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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To me, the single most critical statement was this:

Many state officials have called on the federal government to increase the payments it makes to the state for costs associated with illegal immigrants, because controlling the borders is a federal responsibility. So far, however, Washington lawmakers, faced with large deficits of their own, have not been willing.
I agree with that. Same thing here in Texas. It's a Federal responsibility that they are just not enforcing (for whatever reason).
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Old 07-10-2009, 09:23 AM
 
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I agree with that. Same thing here in Texas. It's a Federal responsibility that they are just not enforcing (for whatever reason).
So, basically you're saying that taxpayers all throughout the U.S. should foot the bill for illegal alien freeloaders, as opposed to just California taxpayers?

NOBODY should be paying for the children of illegal aliens in this country. This IS WHAT encourages them to come here!! As long as the U.S. is willing to pay for the education, healthcare, food, housing, etc. of the children of illegal immigrants, they will continue to flood here.

We need to cut off ALL welfare payments to illegal aliens and their children, whether born in the U.S. or not. These people need to learn the value of breeding responsibly. If they cannot afford to raise their children themselves, they have no right having children and then expecting Americans to pay for them.

Is this heartless? Hell no. What's heartless is that our government, both on the local and federal levels, keeps sticking it to already cash-strapped taxpaying citizens to pay for the irresponsible breeding of illegal aliens.

Having children is a choice, not a destiny. Be responsible.
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Old 07-10-2009, 09:55 AM
 
Location: PA
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The article is actually pretty well balanced and thoughtful, presenting a summary of all sides of the issue. The cost to the state in supporting those folks, and the benefit at the federal level through collection of income taxes and social security was something I've considered too. Seems a bit like the federal benefits, so the motivation to crack down on the borders isn't that critical, however the state takes the brunt of the cost.

To me, the single most critical statement was this:

Many state officials have called on the federal government to increase the payments it makes to the state for costs associated with illegal immigrants, because controlling the borders is a federal responsibility. So far, however, Washington lawmakers, faced with large deficits of their own, have not been willing.

yes government is to busy trying to find ways to bail someone else out.
Let own any other illegal actives.
I love the word illegal it almost implies they are (not legal) how can we get away with such a crazy word let alone even stay it public forum.
Almost like that word has no meaning when talking about the government.
Just like the paper they print that they call money.
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Old 07-10-2009, 10:11 AM
 
Location: South Fla
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So, basically you're saying that taxpayers all throughout the U.S. should foot the bill for illegal alien freeloaders, as opposed to just California taxpayers?

NOBODY should be paying for the children of illegal aliens in this country. This IS WHAT encourages them to come here!! As long as the U.S. is willing to pay for the education, healthcare, food, housing, etc. of the children of illegal immigrants, they will continue to flood here.

We need to cut off ALL welfare payments to illegal aliens and their children, whether born in the U.S. or not. These people need to learn the value of breeding responsibly. If they cannot afford to raise their children themselves, they have no right having children and then expecting Americans to pay for them.

Is this heartless? Hell no. What's heartless is that our government, both on the local and federal levels, keeps sticking it to already cash-strapped taxpaying citizens to pay for the irresponsible breeding of illegal aliens.

Having children is a choice, not a destiny. Be responsible.
If they were able to get a decent paying job they could afford more.

Now I dont support illegals being here. I can understand the reasons for coming here at the sametime.

They believe in family values and not aborting a baby yes they are terrible people to do what comes natural
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Old 07-10-2009, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So, basically you're saying that taxpayers all throughout the U.S. should foot the bill for illegal alien freeloaders, as opposed to just California taxpayers?

NOBODY should be paying for the children of illegal aliens in this country. This IS WHAT encourages them to come here!! As long as the U.S. is willing to pay for the education, healthcare, food, housing, etc. of the children of illegal immigrants, they will continue to flood here.

We need to cut off ALL welfare payments to illegal aliens and their children, whether born in the U.S. or not. These people need to learn the value of breeding responsibly. If they cannot afford to raise their children themselves, they have no right having children and then expecting Americans to pay for them.

Is this heartless? Hell no. What's heartless is that our government, both on the local and federal levels, keeps sticking it to already cash-strapped taxpaying citizens to pay for the irresponsible breeding of illegal aliens.

Having children is a choice, not a destiny. Be responsible.
I was agreeing with the statement that it's the Federal government's responsibility to control the border.
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Old 07-10-2009, 10:23 AM
 
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If they were able to get a decent paying job they could afford more.

Now I dont support illegals being here. I can understand the reasons for coming here at the sametime.

They believe in family values and not aborting a baby yes they are terrible people to do what comes natural
Oh give me a break...they can do "what comes natural" and not get pregnant.

I didn't say anything about having abortions. How about just not getting pregnant in the first place?

NOBODY has the right to have child after child they cannot afford and then expect others to foot the bill. If you want to pity them and justify their blatant irresponsibility and freeloading, then fine. But YOU pay for them.
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Old 07-10-2009, 10:25 AM
 
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I was agreeing with the statement that it's the Federal government's responsibility to control the border.
Okay, sorry. I misunderstood your post.
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Old 07-10-2009, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Up in the air
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Oh give me a break...they can do "what comes natural" and not get pregnant.

I didn't say anything about having abortions. How about just not getting pregnant in the first place?

NOBODY has the right to have child after child they cannot afford and then expect others to foot the bill. If you want to pity them and justify they're blatant irresponsibility and freeloading, then fine. But YOU pay for them.
Precisely! I am a strong believer in family values (and that also includes 'non-traditional' families) and part of that is waiting until you can feasibly support a family. Just because you CAN have kids doesn't mean you SHOULD.
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