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Old 07-13-2009, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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No state income tax, no intangible tax, and no automobile tax equals sucess.

Get rid of excessive taxes and you will have more states that suceed. It's pretty simple. It's a plan that just might work for the entire country.
Merkel in Germany, is lowering taxes across the board. She says that she wants to stimulate the German economy, and lowering taxes is the only way to accomplish that.
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Old 07-13-2009, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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California has a Republican governor.

Many of California's problems are en route to the fact that a certain former Republican president essentially opened the floodgates for illegals to enter the country, and California is the brunt of where they could find jobs. So naturally natives lost jobs and the economy of the state failed to stimulate itself, the state had to compensate for so many undocumented residents using public subsidies and had to overtax its taxpaying citizens.

Democratic policies haven't helped the situation, but Republicans deserve a lot of the blame.
Yes, a Republican governor who is married to a liberal Democrat. I do agree with you that Bush didn't do anything to curb illegal immigration, but Obama and the liberal Republicans in Congress will encourage it for votes.
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Old 07-13-2009, 08:53 PM
 
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Any one else find it intersting to see how Texas's conservative economic policies have allowed Texas to prosper and weather the economic storm relatively well while California's liberal economic policies have basically bankrupted the state?
I trust that by your statement that you understand neither the Texas or California economies.
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Old 07-13-2009, 09:01 PM
 
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Interesting comparison of state GDPs with other states and other countries:

Comparison between U.S. states and countries nominal GDP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2008 was a rough year for California, and this year will probably be worse. It'll be interesting to see if Texas actually surpasses California this year.
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Old 07-13-2009, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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when Texas fills up to it's potential, they will raise taxes, and then other states will lower them, and businesses will move to those other states. It's been happening forever. Now is nothing spectacular. States always boast about low tax rates when they need to attract business. Then when they succeed, they crank the heat right up.
Some States haven't had State tax for a long time. In reality, there is not need to increase taxes as long as local governments can be kept small. As new people move in, they pay whichever local taxes there are, and as they buy the things they need to survive (from homes to groceries and toys), this money in turn is put back into the local economy.

The Californian economy has been the opposite. It turned into a Welfare State in that they created a bunch of social programs, a lot of which have been created by local leaders to support illegal immigrants and their families. The last news report I read indicated that 30% of the prison inmates in CA are illegal aliens. Illegal aliens can't be denied medical care and education in CA. Californians have passed propositions to deny the support of illegal immigrants, but the courts have trumped the will of the people several times already.
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Old 07-13-2009, 09:04 PM
 
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Interesting comparison of state GDPs with other states and other countries:

Comparison between U.S. states and countries nominal GDP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2008 was a rough year for California, and this year will probably be worse. It'll be interesting to see if Texas actually surpasses California this year.
Of course, GDP is often described as a rough measure which tells nothing about how the wealth is spread through a region, state, etc.

A far better measure of this (for the US) is the "Real Wage".
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Old 07-13-2009, 09:06 PM
 
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Californians have passed propositions to deny the support of illegal immigrants, but the courts have trumped the will of the people several times already.
"The will of the people" doesn't override the Constitution or federal laws.
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Old 07-13-2009, 09:13 PM
 
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"The will of the people" doesn't override the Constitution or federal laws.
Federal law? This is the government, right? The people are the government. When a ballot measure is drafted and accepted by the State, the Constitution is followed in order for the State to agree with it. If the people pass such ballot measure, it becomes law. But in the case of the 9th Circuit Court, one that has been reversed the most by the US Supreme Court, it trumps the will of the people quite often.

How is it "Constitutional" to support immigrants who break the law? Illegal immigrants have already broken US and State laws by being "illegal."
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Old 07-13-2009, 09:26 PM
 
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Federal law? This is the government, right? The people are the government.
Yes, but federal law says that hospitals may not refuse emergency treatment for anybody, regardless of citizenship status. I don't believe that passing a state law in California would override that.

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When a ballot measure is drafted and accepted by the State, the Constitution is followed in order for the State to agree with it. If the people pass such ballot measure, it becomes law. But in the case of the 9th Circuit Court, one that has been reversed the most by the US Supreme Court, it trumps the will of the people quite often.

How is it "Constitutional" to support immigrants who break the law? Illegal immigrants have already broken US and State laws by being "illegal."
In 1982, the U.S. Supreme Court said that children of illegal immigrants cannot be denied admission into public schools.
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Old 07-13-2009, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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I trust that by your statement that you understand neither the Texas or California economies.
Well then explain your assertion. Don't just fire a cowardly drive-by shot.

As a business owner in Texas and as someone who has studied economics extensively in undergraduate and graduate school I beg to differ.
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