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Old 07-14-2009, 10:23 AM
 
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It was NOT a military coup. The military acted as directed by the supreme court, congress, and the attorney general. The person next in line according to their constitution was installed by congress to fill the current term as president. If the rest of the world will stay out of it, regularly scheduled elections will be held in November.
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Old 07-14-2009, 10:32 AM
 
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Why is the US (Obama administartion) getting involved in the so-called coup against Zelaya? First, even if the armed forces were acting unconstitutionally, so was Zelaya. If anything, I believe that Zelaya was the one who acted unconstitutionally first and to a greater degree than the military. Therefore, why is the US coming to his aid? Why are we coming to his aid if he is such a staunch ally of Hugo Chavez? Doesn't this even go against our strategic interests? It is of my personal belief that the Honduras crisis is an internal matter that the US should stay out of? A lot of the resentment to the US comes from us getting too involved in their affairs. I liked the foreign policy of the Obama administartion up until this point. However, why are we getting involved here?
This is simply a case of Obama taking a hard left on Easy Street in the City of Foreign Relations.

If he really had stones, he would have asserted a little more outside pressure on Iran during the disputed election. The Honduras response is just an attempt to divert any notion that he's a lightweight - the problem is that the Honduras situation IS lightweight relative to the rest of the world. I've always heard that you must "choose your battles," but to me it seems that Obama's RAH RAH GO ZELAYA! stand is more like a gentle giant taking the class nerd to task rather than the 300lb linebacker that poses the real risk.

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Old 07-14-2009, 10:36 AM
 
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It was NOT a military coup. The military acted as directed by the supreme court, congress, and the attorney general. The person next in line according to their constitution was installed by congress to fill the current term as president. If the rest of the world will stay out of it, regularly scheduled elections will be held in November.
Armed soldiers invading the quarters of the President in the middle of the night, and transferring him at gunpoint to the airport, and then subsequently flying him out of the country is a coup.

Especially when they could have legally arrested him, since they had already voted to impeach him. Why short-circuit the impeachment process? Are the people of Honduras really served by a midnight coup rather than the legal impeachment process where Zelaya would have had the opportunity to defend himself? What is the nature of the conflict in Honduras? A divide between left and right, or a divide between poor and rich? It seems the interim government is squarely on the side of the rich.
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Old 07-14-2009, 10:54 AM
 
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So you support democratically elected leaders being ousted via coup? Interesting.
Do you support leaders arbitrarily and unconstitutionally changing the law?

Because that is what Zelaya did and is still trying to do.
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Old 07-14-2009, 11:03 AM
 
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Do you support leaders arbitrarily and unconstitutionally changing the law?

Because that is what Zelaya did and is still trying to do.
If the people of Honduras voted by referendum to change their Constitution in reference to Presidential term limits, why would that bother you?
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Old 07-14-2009, 11:05 AM
 
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It doesn't bother me,thing is the people didn't ask for or even put forward a referendum....the guy wanting to be leader for life did.

The people of Honduras support him being removed.
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Old 07-14-2009, 11:13 AM
 
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It doesn't bother me,thing is the people didn't ask for or even put forward a referendum....the guy wanting to be leader for life did.

The people of Honduras support him being removed.

The guy wanted to be a leader for life, but he put forward a referendum that was going to be voted on by the people. It was up to the people.

And some of the people of Honduras support him being removed, especially the rich people. And some of the people of Honduras wanted him removed, but would have preferred an impeachment trial, in accordance to the Honduran Constitution, especially the politically moderate people. And some of the people don't support his removal at all, especially the poor people.

If you support this coup, when another avenue of removing Zelaya was established and available, you must make an argument showing why this coup was necessary and preferable to a straightforward impeachment. Why was it necessary? Who benefits more from the coup than from impeachment?
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Old 07-14-2009, 11:25 AM
 
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Zelaya ordered and election so this could be put to a referendum,this was ruled by their Supreme Court to be unconstitutional but he went ahead and attempted to do so...
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Old 07-14-2009, 11:28 AM
 
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Zelaya ordered an election so this could be put to a referendum,this was ruled by their Supreme Court to be unconstitutional but he went ahead and attempted to do so...
Yep, you're quite right. So he should have been impeached, right?
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Old 07-14-2009, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The hidalgos of Honduras have seen the improved standard of living the campasinos of Venezuela has managed under Chavez and wanted nothing like that to happen in their feudal paradise. Hence they shafted, at least they did not kill him, the President that was threatening their privilege. This is a good way to set up a revolution.
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