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There you go. A nice list, which includes the AMA (who believe it has enough value to research) and other major medical organizations.
It has many legitimate uses, especially in appetite stimulation for those who are dangerously underweight. A friend of mine had brain cancer and was given 6 months to live and started smoking medicinal marijuana at that point when he thought it was over. The increased appetite he felt caused him to gain 70 pounds and get back to a healthy weight where he has survived 6 years since.
Opposition? LOL, ok. Who's the big bad boogeyman opposition you're referring to? Paranoid much? Your posts are totally convoluted. One minute you're cheering for legalization, YAY! Go POT!, & then the next you're insulting people & talking up a big game for pills. Whatever, you are the most transparent person I think I've seen on this forum.
No, my responses are consistent-
1. I in no way believe that pot has a place in pain medicine. It has marginal medical benefits. The literature confirms this.
2. Legalization of pot, I believe, would reduce crime related to distribution and gangs.
3. "Medical marijuana" would jam up our clinics in a time where there will probably be further access problems. We don't need it. If people who use pot feel it helps them (for whatever reason) and it alleviates the work load of our clinic and others- great. We don't want to see patients who feel as though they are doing well. It is not an analgesic and has no place in conventional medicine. Just like accupuncture. But sometimes belief in something can produce positive effects.
4. If you are productive on pot- good for you. Most people I have seen who use pot are not productive. That is my experience
5. I personally am opposed to marijuana use for myself or my family. I also am personally opposed to abortion. However, I do not believe I have the right to tell any other citizen what to do, as long as it not affecting other citizens.
6. Most pot users are probably liberals. I think if they are stoned they would tend to be less productive and effective in a work place. Again- it is the same reason that whites gave the American Indians alcohol and the Chineese opium- it makes them easier to control.
7. I can't figure out this guy who like violence, is looking forward to some revolution in which he will kill other citizens. I thought pot was supposed to make you mellow. I think he needs to smoke more.
There you go. A nice list, which includes the AMA (who believe it has enough value to research) and other major medical organizations.
It has many legitimate uses, especially in appetite stimulation for those who are dangerously underweight. A friend of mine had brain cancer and was given 6 months to live and started smoking medicinal marijuana at that point when he thought it was over. The increased appetite he felt caused him to gain 70 pounds and get back to a healthy weight where he has survived 6 years since.
The AMA does not endorse the use of medical marijuana. Not at all. They say that it merits further investigation. That is entirely different. Again, we live in the world of randomized, blinded, prospective studies with good control groups. If a study is done and is peer reviewed in a good journal, I would immediately change my position, as we guide our practice by the literature. Should it be studied objectively with good science- of course! However, garbage studies, which are inconclusive, will not sway anyone. For that reason- whould marijuana be approved now for "medical" use? Of course not! It is the same reason that we do not use intradiscal ozone for back pain. They love it in europe, but has no objective evidence to support its use. We have to be patient advocates and reccommend what the literature shows to be true. Sometimes that answer is to do nothing.
As long as the Medical profession is in bed with the big pharmies, they will always scoff at MMJ. Medical reasons or not, why on earth would a "plant" be illegal?
Look at all the freebies the Doc's get for handing out certain scripts, conferences in exotic locations, kickbacks and more.
Now I can tell ya, the big boys are ready to start producing as soon as they can. Tobacco is being taxed beyond a smokers budget. And then they came up with the 2 pack and 3 pack special! Brilliant marketing ploy! but big T is losing consumers daily. Won't be long and yer local booze mart will be selling a 20 pack of Joints for around 20 bucks a pack. I would not smoke that brand cause I don't know what CHEMICALS they use in the growing fields or labs, but believe me you, they'll want to grow and sell it as fast as they can.
Booze is legal so yer govmint can reap the rewards from a drunk populace. Doubt me? Get a DUI and let's see how yer wallet looks 2 years down the road.
I get so tired of people exaggerating the dangers of the plant. Gateway drug, yada yada yada.
I used to go to bars and have to listen to the drinkers, all sloshy and inebriated, berate those who use the plant. While their Bartender is whacked out on crank, meth or coke to keep his/her job interesting. Booze. Now there is yer gateway "drug". Go into any bar and take a listen and a look around. That's where the "hookup" happens. I walk in like I just had an encounter with a 6 ft long skunk that sprayed me and these frickin DRUNKS start spewing their evil bull****e about the "stoner". Yeah right. It's perfectly OK to sit there hammering down the booze and beer and get snockered AND THEN GET IN A VEHICLE AND DRIVE HOME!
My ol' man started each day with his good ol' canadian crap whiskey. Heavy, heavy boozer that could not hold down any job. My grandmother supported him his entire life. Lucky SOB. Houses, cars, vacations and credit card bills all paid by his mommy. Hell, every house he ever sold the money went to his boozing. Took a lot of beatings from him until one day at 17 I'd had enough and laid the S.O.B. out like a persian rug. That's the day I left that "family" and started my own journey.
When I drank, I was ugly and abusive. I quit that ****e cause I did not want to inflict pain on those I love.
When I partake in the plant all is good, I'm relaxed and can put up with a lot of the boozers and other craphandlers ****e without getting excited.
You want to booze it up go ahead, I could care less, that's yer bidness. Just don't try the ol' "booze is ok and the plant is evil". I, and more than a few out there will disagree. Go ahead, rot yer liver out. Not my concern. Just don't tell me it's OK to get drunk cause it's "legal" while getting "high" from a natural occurring and proliferous plant should be illegal.
I can grow my own. Can you distill or make yer own booze and beer? Some do, not many. I stay at home when I'm lit up now. No need to be out when the majority of the drunks are on a killing spree. Ban Guns? How about banning the number one reason for unacceptable behavior in our society? Booze wrecks more lives than any other "Drug" on the market. But it's OK to do that cause it's legal.
Lord, take me now, the idjits are roaming free.
Tax it? I'll gladly pay the tax on my personal usage. Tax away. But remember this. When I pay that tax I want representation.
Although this is still "America", it ain't the one I'd like to see keep on keeping on. Time fer change. Revolt and be a Son of Liberty, or stay the course and become a serf. That's the choice you have in the near future.
The AMA does not endorse the use of medical marijuana. Not at all. They say that it merits further investigation. That is entirely different. Again, we live in the world of randomized, blinded, prospective studies with good control groups. If a study is done and is peer reviewed in a good journal, I would immediately change my position, as we guide our practice by the literature. Should it be studied objectively with good science- of course! However, garbage studies, which are inconclusive, will not sway anyone. For that reason- whould marijuana be approved now for "medical" use? Of course not! It is the same reason that we do not use intradiscal ozone for back pain. They love it in europe, but has no objective evidence to support its use. We have to be patient advocates and reccommend what the literature shows to be true. Sometimes that answer is to do nothing.
But the AMA believes that it's a legitimate enough medicinal herb for it to require more research. Remember, the moronic laws are what have kept it from being researched. Plus, there are plenty of INTERNATIONAL studies done in England, Australia, Switzerland and other countries that fit the criteria you put forward. The simple fact is that you don't want to admit that you're wrong. I see no medicinal benefit in taking Vicodin because it doesn't have enough of a pain-killing effect on me. I have to take three to even NOTICE any kind of pain-numbing effects. Does that mean it has no value to anyone? Absolutely not.
If a physician and their patient agree that the best medicine for their ailment is marijuana, why should you have any say in that decision? How are you more qualified than their personal physician to tell them what will work for their issue?
BTW, nearly every country in Europe has a higher life expectancy than we do...maybe it is because their medical establishment isn't so stupid and in the pockets of insurance companies. Many countries in Europe have relaxed marijuana laws and have not seen any negatives from it. Their crime is lower and their lives longer...so what is wrong with following their example?
You're like one of those people who says "I'll change my mind when I see the evidence", but when you see the evidence you just say "I don't believe the evidence, I need more proof". You already have the proof, but you're too stubborn, thick-headed or dumb to accept it.
Personally I don't think that any medication should require a Rx, I am an adult and it's my choice to put what I want in my body, you have no right to tell me what I can and can't do to myself. If I wanted to buy some Oxycontin (I wouldn't) and get high, it is my right as a FREE PERSON to be able to take it.
Not only would it make our lives easier, but it would drive profits of Pharmaceutical companies through the roof. Imagine how much Viagra would sell if you could just get it a 7-11 next to the Cigarettes. Imagine how much Vicodin would sell if it were next to the (just as dangerous) other pain pills. It makes no sense to me why you people feel the need to waste BILLIONS on regulation when we could just tax everything instead.
1. I in no way believe that pot has a place in pain medicine. It has marginal medical benefits. The literature confirms this.
It's really not UP to you, is it? You can push your man-made drugs all you want, there are benefits to pot whether you like it or not.
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6. Most pot users are probably liberals. I think if they are stoned they would tend to be less productive and effective in a work place. Again- it is the same reason that whites gave the American Indians alcohol and the Chineese opium- it makes them easier to control.
This is a pretty idiotic post, don't ya think? So if pot were made legal, people would be coming to work toking up? What kind of alternate universe do you live in?
1. I in no way believe that pot has a place in pain medicine. It has marginal medical benefits. The literature confirms this.
I don't smoke pot and never will, but this statement is completely false. The fact is that there is a lot of evidence that marijuana helps people with certain conditions. Here is an article on the subject.
I don't smoke pot and never will, but this statement is completely false. The fact is that there is a lot of evidence that marijuana helps people with certain conditions. Here is an article on the subject.
1. I in no way believe that pot has a place in pain medicine. It has marginal medical benefits. The literature confirms this.
There ya go again! Who financed those findings, HHHHMMMM? PROPAGANDA!
2. Legalization of pot, I believe, would reduce crime related to distribution and gangs.
Yeah, first sign of brain cells at work in yer ###hat
3. "Medical marijuana" would jam up our clinics in a time where there will probably be further access problems. We don't need it. If people who use pot feel it helps them (for whatever reason) and it alleviates the work load of our clinic and others- great. We don't want to see patients who feel as though they are doing well. It is not an analgesic and has no place in conventional medicine. Just like accupuncture. But sometimes belief in something can produce positive effects.
So let the "Pot Farmies" take care of those seeking help with a natural occurring remedy. Not yer local "Med" clinic. That's how we do it here.
4. If you are productive on pot- good for you. Most people I have seen who use pot are not productive. That is my experience
Wow, what a sheltered life you live. Yay!
5. I personally am opposed to marijuana use for myself or my family. I also am personally opposed to abortion. However, I do not believe I have the right to tell any other citizen what to do, as long as it not affecting other citizens.
Then put the brakes on yer PROPAGANDA!
6. Most pot users are probably liberals. I think if they are stoned they would tend to be less productive and effective in a work place. Again- it is the same reason that whites gave the American Indians alcohol and the Chineese opium- it makes them easier to control.
nope. most I know are a lot further right leaning than what you spew. And I know better than you on that due to first hand knowledge.
7. I can't figure out this guy who like violence, is looking forward to some revolution in which he will kill other citizens. I thought pot was supposed to make you mellow. I think he needs to smoke more.
I like violence? That would be news to those that know me. Protecting my family will never be considered a violent act, me getting drunk and beating the crap out of Red would be Violence and that ain't gonna happen. I fear the day that the SHTF, although I know my pantry, water supplies, weapons,ammo and medkits are at the standby for a 90 day siege. Last two things I WANT do is kill another CITIZEN or LEO or Active Duty Armed Forces Personnel. But I will defend my family and friends. I've spent my life protecting them. But lets face it, SHTF and most LEO's I know will ditch the uniform, load up and hunker down. BO will have his new youth army ready to set up Martial Law.
So to be clear, I do not like violence. But, I am prepared to unleash the DevilDawg in me when the time comes. See ###hat no matter what you
say, I'm one of the guys you wish you had in yer fighting hole when the crap happens. I don't freeze up in a firefight, I light em up.
In closing.
I never expect someone over-privileged and self absorbed like you to see the writing on the wall. The message was left long ago that we are in trouble. Get yer head out of the sand my friend.
I like violence? That would be news to those that know me. Protecting my family will never be considered a violent act, me getting drunk and beating the crap out of Red would be Violence and that ain't gonna happen. I fear the day that the SHTF, although I know my pantry, water supplies, weapons,ammo and medkits are at the standby for a 90 day siege. Last two things I WANT do is kill another CITIZEN or LEO or Active Duty Armed Forces Personnel. But I will defend my family and friends. I've spent my life protecting them. But lets face it, SHTF and most LEO's I know will ditch the uniform, load up and hunker down. BO will have his new youth army ready to set up Martial Law.
So to be clear, I do not like violence. But, I am prepared to unleash the DevilDawg in me when the time comes. See ###hat no matter what you
say, I'm one of the guys you wish you had in yer fighting hole when the crap happens. I don't freeze up in a firefight, I light em up.
In closing.
I never expect someone over-privileged and self absorbed like you to see the writing on the wall. The message was left long ago that we are in trouble. Get yer head out of the sand my friend.
WTF are you even talking about? Stick to the subject.
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