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See, this is a COMPLETELY inaccurate view of Conservatives. I hate how Liberals always make us out to be hate "mongers", or uncompassionate elitists (when in reality, it is usually the liberals who are the elitists and hypocrites of society). We are not uncompassionate! For the love of of all that is holy, stop calling us haters.
A conservative traditionally believes in good moral values, cultural stability, and earning a living without being dependent on others for free handouts. The reason you liberals think conservatives are the bane of society is probably because YOU are the ones wearing 10 tattoos all over your body, piercings in regions we don't want to know about, are rude or obnoxious, and have an entitlement attitude about everything. You are the people we dislike! You are incongruent with our beliefs, and THAT is why we do not particularly like you, which is why we may come off harshly. It is liberal socialists alone that have caused the demise of what America was built to be. Believe it or not, it is a fact. Look at any weakness America has, obesity, illegal immigration, too much violence on television, inconsiderate drivers, fast paced "get out my way, im the shiznit" attitude, its all linked to poor morals and selfishness, which is a trait that does not agree with a true conservative.
Are there corrupt, greedy conservatives out there? Absolutely. Are they TRUE conservatives in the sense that they uphold good moral values? Absolutely not. They are a shame to what a conservative really believes in. The Swiss people in general would be a good comparison of what a real conservative really is. They uphold high moral values, do not allow illegal immigration, and believe in a pristine society. THAT is the type of lifestyle I would like to live.
But no, liberals have corrupted the United States by allowing too much indifference to breed. They force tolerance and an equal playing field, when in reality, human beings do not submit well to this type of behavior.
So please, fellow liberals, stop spreading the false notion that conservatives are greedy haters. This is simply not the case in a true conservative society with morals that are actually adhered to.
Nuh uh.
I went ahead and answered for the left.
But left out the name calling.
Yel, again, I have to give it up to you. I truly believe that the conservative movement would stop being the laughing stock of the free world if they went back to Goldwater and quit making love to Ronald Reagan.
Some better wardrobe choices might help, as well. My wife keeps telling me lose the sock garters when I'm at the beach.
Some Americans think that if you are not American, you don't count. I recently heard two things that impressed me about other countries...
In Australia, pharma companies are not allowed to advertise there drugs on TV. How stupid that they can push people to ask the physicians for drugs here as if they were shopping in a supermarket. Also, political campaigns have to adhere to a limited budget as opposed to our ridiculous campaign financing which leads to corruption and knocks potentially great candidates out of the loop...how insane! Germany has been so successful with their solar panel and clean energy policies, that one cannot help but be impressed.
America has a lot to learn from other nations.
It used to be illegal in the US to advertise prescription drugs on TV. When it first became legal, I thought it wouldn't make much sense to the drug companies. After all, who would ask their physician to prescribe something they saw advertised on TV? Then some of my friends told me they do that very thing! I work in a pediatrician's office and lots of parents call us asking for certain drugs. With the internet, what they don't see on TV, they can look up online, too.
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The problem, as I see it, is that in America the mediocre is often praised as extraordinary, just because it's loud, vulgar, and rich. This is not generally the case in Europe.
I just returned from Poland, where I spent the afternoon of the Fourth of July at Wawel Castle in Krakow (with a large American flag pin on my hat!) enjoying a FREE "Chopin marathon" (four solid hours of live music by four award-winning pianists), with hundreds of other smiling, respectful people.
This is the kind of thing of which America seems incapable. Such an event in America would not be Chopin, it would more likely be screaming adolecents proclaiming their amazing ability to have erections. It would be peopled by drunks and obese people with tattoos. And it would definitely NOT be free.
Now, I am not saying that fat people with tattoos who like to listen to crap rock are somehow less worthy than I. But I do wonder why their preferences seem to have insinuated themsleves so firmly into the mainstream of American culture that we seem as a country capable of little more than noise and ugliness.
Your definition of European mediocrity is short on specifics. But any of us can point to the many instances of mediocrity which have come to increasingly dominate American public life. The fact that American mediocrity is louder and more overt does not make it somehow superior.
With all due respect, I think you could find similar types of "celebrations" with rock music with sexual lyrics in Europe, too, and tasteful celebrations such as you describe in the US as well. It all depends on the venue.
Add: Boulder, Colorado has an annual classical music concert on the 4th of July.
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Please tell that to the family who are not poor enough for a College "loan" or who's child is not exceptionally talented to be offered a grant. It is NOT easy to get a College grant in the USA. There are many late developers who will never benefit from College because their parents earn too much to get a College "loan" and don't earn enough to send their children to College.
Saying College Grants does not cover the real mechanism of getting a College Grant in America. It is unavailable to many, many, many American Students.
Again, with all due respect. . . Virtually anyone can get a college loan in the US. What is difficult to get is need based financial aid grants. One fin aid website I perused said that you have to be nearly destitute to get any federal "grants", but lots of people get federally subsidized loans and jobs. You can even get unsubsidized loans. My daughter just put herself through grad school with student loans.
Add: Many colleges give out their own financial aid, which can be either need-based or merit-based. You don't need to be a genius to get the merit-based aid, nor in poverty to get need-based aid.
Among those rights are the right to a public educdation which, to the best of my knowledge, every state provides through high school, to include remedial, alternative and continuation schools. If the individual throws away those opportunities, where does society's responsibility end. Are we, the tax payers, required to lead them by the hand until they achieve some modicum of success and independence or are are they responsible for their own lives and future?
I opt for the latter!
We are all responsible for our own lives. Well some of us are. The "Rich Kids" who have never known what it is like to actually work for a living as their parents can pull strings for them, unfortunately will never know what real work is but will earn a fortune on "Daddys" dime.
If all was equal these "Rich Kids" would be sitting in a corner hugging their security blankets if "Daddy" didn't keep them.
The real victims are the kids who are bright but will never become anything as they are held back by being dumped into a class that has far too many students and a School that is just not equipped to really teach them. So nice to turn a blind eye to these kids by saying "Hey they have Public School education". The system is failing them NOT them failing the System.
Oh, my! They didn't tell me that when I was a soldier in combat back in the 60s that I was a socialist, and on through the 70s. They didn't tell me when I was a cop in the 80s that I was a socialist. They didn't tell me when I was a legislative and political analyst for my state specializing in forensic mental health policy issues in the 90s through 2008 that I was a socialist.
Guess I need to go back four decades and re-evaluate my life, given this new information.
If only they knew what "Socialism" really was....but they only repeat what some Morons have decided it is.
Katiana......"Again, with all due respect. . . Virtually anyone can get a college loan in the US. What is difficult to get is need based financial aid grants. One fin aid website I perused said that you have to be nearly destitute to get any federal "grants", but lots of people get federally subsidized loans and jobs. You can even get unsubsidized loans. My daughter just put herself through grad school with student loans.
Add: Many colleges give out their own financial aid, which can be either need-based or merit-based. You don't need to be a genius to get the merit-based aid, nor in poverty to get need-based aid."
Sorry Katiana, i probably didn't make myself clear. I agree with you. To get a "Grant" is difficult but to get a "Loan" isn't difficult....paying it back is difficult for many of these kids so they don't even bother trying to get a loan.
Location: I currently exist only in a state of mind. one too complex for geographic location.
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Oh pulllleeeese! You are the one saying that if they do not do well at School they can go work in a Burger bar. I am saying, now read carefully, that the attitude that if a student screws up or cannot afford to go to college means that they are only going to get a job sweeping the roads or as you said work in a burger bar then the system is wrong. Stop trying to act as if you are concerned for the poorly paid or people with menial jobs. I want every child to get the opportunity to get a great job. Sweeping the roads is NOT a great job. I am NOT saying they are any less important than anyone else just that you seem to think that if they do not do well at School they can then fill the jobs that ecucated people would not want. I worked in many jobs, from Burger bar to working in a fat and bone company. I managed to start my own business and have done well. I am from the poor part of East London, so don't give me that........
"you do realize that you just offended and personally insulted millions of americans right?" ....B/S.
I want every single American to have the same access to Schooling and Healthcare as the wealthy.
BTW i don't need to apply for a college grant as my College and University was free.
no, what I said was that some people are college material, some are not. you didn't go to school for free. things that are paid for with extorted money aren't free. you want every american to have the same access to education and health care. it will NEVER happen. they can pass universal this, and universal that, it will NEVER happen.
For the people who think that socialized health care and all the socialistic changes Obama is making, are so great, why not move to Europe and see how great it really is.
Sit at a doctors office and see indeed how fast you can get through the paperwork, which is hardly any paper since you can't sue if something went wrong...that saves half an hour of your time, but than the waiting at the primary doctor's office starts and hopefully the doctor has the same opinion as you or will refer you to a specialized doctor for further checking what is wrong with you...if not, this is as far you will get and you go home and suffer further. (maybe it took you one or 2 hours). If you get a referal which you need otherwise you won't get in the oor with a specialist, you can make an appointment ad if you are lucky you can see the doctor 6 weeks later.
Than if the doctor thinks you need treatment you will be on a invincible waiting list and you get another appointment for maybe 4 to 6 weeks later. Meanwhile you are a couple months further and still nothing has happened. The doctor will start with the cheapest treatment which might not be the best to get rid of your pain or illness but he has to work according to governement rules and after waitng for another couple of weeks to see if you feel a little better you can make another appointment and maybe he will repeat the same thing or start doing a little different treatment.
For a MRI you have to wait 6 weeks.
If you want to be taken care off by the governement try to live in Europe and you will love it, specially the first months, when the honeymoon feeling is still there.
You cet into a education and at the age of 14 you choose your courses and rop others, not knowing that many jobs won't be possible for you anymore that is something you will regret later. Just speak with Europeans and see how many ever changed professions in their life...hardly anyone. It is simple not possible. That was one of the biggest culture shcks to me, here people have changed professions for whatever reason and are much better being creative and if you want to make a better life for your self it is possible.
In most European countries you can only work for 36 hours a week...sounds great he? Get 25 days of vacation, get money for the vacation paid by the employer, sounds great isn't it?
You know how much you will earn for the rest of your life...maybe you get a little increase over the years since in many jobs you get paid by how old you are, up to when you get 23 yrs old and for many employers you are labelled "old" since you are on the op of the paying scale and they rather have a cheaper younger person...
But isn't it great, no 3 jobs to work or 2....great isn't it....well you won't have the same income as if you would have 3 jobs, but you have more time off...you can't buy as much as you want but who cares, you have health care...is't that great...as long as your healthy and get a long with your docotr and aslong as you are young! Don't get old, or you will hear "it is your age", every time you go to the doctor.
Maybe the people who believe that people should choose can live over here and the others will live in Europe, like an exchange plan...sounds great to me. I wonder how many criminals and lazy people would leave this country and how many entrpeneurs would come over here....I know the answer...this country would be better than ever! Let's start and ship the hope and change person over there...JMO!
is this the reason for a "weaker" dollar?
...crime in Europe...is much lower than what we have over here...sad!
medical...if you don't like the public sector...go to a private clinic...and pay your bill...very simple.
But they go so well with your sandals, aviator shades and the zinc oxide on your nose.
I assume those are dark socks. I certainly wouldn't wear any others!
Chocolate brown. With baby blue clocks. (The clocks match my veins.)
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I hate how Liberals always make us out to be hate "mongers", or uncompassionate elitists (when in reality, it is usually the liberals who are the elitists and hypocrites of society). We are not uncompassionate! For the love of of all that is holy, stop calling us haters. 
