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My parents have told me that global warming has been happening naturally since the start of time, with or without humans, not unlike how Silas777 explains things. I suppose you're going to say that my parents don't know what they're talking about.
Oh, and I saw a video about the melting of the Perito Moreno Glacier in Argentina, but at the end, it says it has absolutely NOTHING to do with global warming (manmade or natural). Here's the quote describing the events:
I suppose you're going to say that my parents don't know what they're talking about next? Because I don't like it when they're wrong about something. They have told me that global warming, as affected by humans, is minimal at best, which, as I said before, is not unlike what Silas777 and Southpoint are talking about.
people can be wrong, right? no one of us can know all the answers, right? so, based on what you learn about these things, what do YOU think? you've seen plenty of literature (if you've looked around at the articles you've dug up and the articles that have been linked for you). you've seen who's said what about several things and gotten a sense of what their own personal interests, "education" about the details and broader scope of these kinds of things, and motivations might be. you've seen plots and pictures that you can judge, for yourself, in terms of credibility. so, based on that, what do YOU think?
people can be wrong, right? no one of us can know all the answers, right? so, based on what you learn about these things, what do YOU think? you've seen plenty of literature (if you've looked around at the articles you've dug up and the articles that have been linked for you). you've seen who's said what about several things and gotten a sense of what their own personal interests, "education" about the details and broader scope of these kinds of things, and motivations might be. you've seen plots and pictures that you can judge, for yourself, in terms of credibility. so, based on that, what do YOU think?
I think I'd say it's natural for global warming to occur, as it has been doing that since the start of time. I do agree that humans have made a contribution, but not one that would really destroy the world. My guess is that the reason our planet is heating up thus far is that we are emerging from the last little ice age. Don't forget, the scientists are the same ones that made the ice age claims 30 years ago. But you said people can make mistakes, didn't you? I think that means you, too. You should understand also that these scientists and the government are trying to use this situation as an example of fear, to fill their pockets and help the problem. Well, I guess you're saying that ALMOST all people can make mistakes and YOU are the sole exception. You think YOU are right and everyone else is wrong, aren't you?
Well, guess what? Not everyone sees things the way you do. Not everyone goes with your "my-way-or-the-highway" type of thinking. You might as well get that into your head. Besides, don't you think you might be exaggerating a bit. I do agree that these scenarios are possible, but not probable.
I think I'd say it's natural for global warming to occur, as it has been doing that since the start of time. I do agree that humans have made a contribution, but not one that would really destroy the world. My guess is that the reason our planet is heating up thus far is that we are emerging from the last little ice age. Don't forget, the scientists are the same ones that made the ice age claims 30 years ago. But you said people can make mistakes, didn't you? You should understand also that these scientists and the government are trying to use this situation as an example of fear, to fill their pockets and help the problem. Well, I guess you're saying that ALMOST all people can make mistakes and YOU are the sole exception. You think YOU are right and everyone else is wrong, aren't you?
Well, guess what? Not everyone sees things the way you do. Not everyone goes with your "my-way-or-the-highway" type of thinking. You might as well get that into your head. Besides, don't you think you might be exaggerating a bit. I do agree that these scenarios are possible, but not probable.
seems very clear not everyone sees it as i do, and that is not a bad thing in my opinion, nor is it surprising. based on what i've seen and read from many perspectives, i do not believe that i am exaggerating.
my question is "what do YOU think?"
but yeah, of course i may very well be wrong. some of the apparent concensuses in the scientific community could be wrong. what has become the apparent popular opinion in this country (that global warming is occurring and that people have something to do with it) could be wrong. at least some of the others you'd mentioned in your second to last post could be wrong. so...given the information YOU have at YOUR disposal, "what do YOU think?" you appear to believe what you believe, and seem to be looking more and more into it to learn what you can. those seem like good things in my opinion.
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Here in CT we had a rare tornado touch down yesterday and destroy a horse barn out of nowhere. It was sunny, no clouds and no rain, just a bit of haze. Tornado's in CT are rare, nevermind a tornado in clear, perfect weather.
I experienced my first tornado touch down about a month ago near Pittsburgh. I looked it up, and it appears there is an increase in tornadoes where they hadn't appeared before.
I lived most of my life on the East Coast (including CT) and the word tornado was novel.
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Here in CT we had a rare tornado touch down yesterday and destroy a horse barn out of nowhere. It was sunny, no clouds and no rain, just a bit of haze. Tornado's in CT are rare, nevermind a tornado in clear, perfect weather.
I experienced my first tornado touch down about a month ago near Pittsburgh. I looked it up, and it appears there is an increase in tornadoes where they hadn't appeared before.
I lived most of my life on the East Coast (including CT) and the word tornado was novel.
it can be hard to attribute things like individual hurricanes or tornados to "global warming", but it is interesting to hear anecdotes about how people seem to be perceiving it and feeling it - "seems like more storms", etc... and trends (climate) can definitely start to be more easily "attributable".
btw - there's a pretty good article in national geographic currently about high latitude and altitude changes that are going on.
It talks about Amazonian deforestation, the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) predictions for Brazil/Amazonia, Brazil's leaders beginning to make laws to curb global warming and it's effects, the first hurricane ever recorded in the South Atlantic to strike the shore of South America, an impact of "An Inconvenient Truth", etc..
There are a lot of interesting perspectives on global warming. I don't pretend to have the answer. Other planets are warming as well and do not have human life, and the sun is getting hotter. I don't know how much human behavior influences this process and the science conflicts. Either way, I think we need to clean up the planet simply because the air and water are polluted.
Either way, I think we need to clean up the planet simply because the air and water are polluted.
I agree, which is why I feel CO2 should be the least of our concerns when there are sulfur oxides, nitrogen oxide, and small particulate matter pollutions which are more important, as well as all the pollutants going into our waterways. BP was given a go ahead to continue dumping mercury contaminated water into Lake Michigan, even though they made profits in the billions of dollars.
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