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View Poll Results: Are you content with the current healthcare system in America
Yes 52 20.55%
No 104 41.11%
Yes and No (Some parts are good, some are bad) 97 38.34%
Voters: 253. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-07-2009, 11:49 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Somalia? May I add to the question--Which countries DO NOT have some form of socialized medicine/national health care and is a place you would actually want to live?

 
Old 08-08-2009, 12:53 AM
 
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I hope most Americans watched the Glenn Beck show today.
It says volumes and we should be worried if this health plan passes!
Please see if you can watch it from his website.
 
Old 08-08-2009, 06:26 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I believe our healthcare system needs improvement, however, the major stumbling block seems how to pay for it.

Well......Why don't we use the savings we would realize from 5-Day-A-Week mail delivery to fund healthcare?

Personally, I could live without Saturday delivery, and welcome 5 day mail delivery. While I understand, it may create some inconveniences, I honestly believe we'd readjust to 5 day mail delivery without any major overall impact.

The PO estimates a $2 Billion annual savings, and I'd like to see the $2B spent for something we really need like healthcare, instead of paying for something we could really live without.

But the most important thing I see is the environmental savings. Just think, how many thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of gallons of fuel per day that will be saved.

Bottom line is we could fix a few important problems by dropping mail delivery to 5 days a week.

To me it's a no brainer

marc
 
Old 08-08-2009, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by marc515 View Post
I believe our healthcare system needs improvement, however, the major stumbling block seems how to pay for it.

Well......Why don't we use the savings we would realize from 5-Day-A-Week mail delivery to fund healthcare?

Personally, I could live without Saturday delivery, and welcome 5 day mail delivery. While I understand, it may create some inconveniences, I honestly believe we'd readjust to 5 day mail delivery without any major overall impact.

The PO estimates a $2 Billion annual savings, and I'd like to see the $2B spent for something we really need like healthcare, instead of paying for something we could really live without.

But the most important thing I see is the environmental savings. Just think, how many thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of gallons of fuel per day that will be saved.

Bottom line is we could fix a few important problems by dropping mail delivery to 5 days a week.

To me it's a no brainer

marc
Maybe because any savings from PO operations needs to go to their own deficit?
"US Post Office To Run $7 Billion Deficit In 2009."
 
Old 08-08-2009, 06:46 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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For those of you who think that the UK and Canadian systems are great, please catch Daniel Hannan, member of Parliament in the UK, on Glenn Beck tonight at 9PM Eastern time.

Some of you may already have heard him. He has been on several programs over the last 6 months or so. He is a student of and great supporter of the U.S. Constitution, intelligent and articulate, and well versed in the issues with which we are struggling.

I just heard a doctor who is licensed in both the US and Canada, practiciing in Canada and a Fellow at the Manhatan Institute. He spoke about the drawbacks of the Canadian system and said, "be careful what you wish for". We have an opportunity to revamp the system - let's do what we can to be informed, unemotional - and please, lets do it right!
 
Old 08-08-2009, 07:48 AM
 
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I lived in the UK for a while and used and payed towards their uhc. Believe me when i tell you that it makes our health system look archaic, cumblesome, expensive and inefficient.
Years ago we had a great health system that was ahead of its time and not expensive. We suddenly stopped, sat back on our laurels and allowed it to become extremely expensive, inneficient and the sole property of the elite. Healt in America is there for you if your job supplies it or you can afford the high premiums and copays or you have no pre conditions. You could call that rationed health care which is rationed out to those with money or job health entitlement.
When i was in the UK i payed a small tax for all of my health requirements and it was so small i didn't even notice how much exactly it was. It covered me, my family and every other citizen and resident. If i had a illness i just went to the Doctor and he then decided what treatment or drugs to give me. He then called me back for follow ups as many times as he saw fit or sent me to a specialist. No copays, no extra payments, no out of pocket expenses. I paid a very small sum for my script to be filled ( was about $4 for everything on the script). No fuss and no worry.
It was a far cry from the complicated, decission making, unfair health system we have in America right now.
Unless you have tried a uhc you really have no idea of how it works and how fair it is. Rationing is not a factor with a uhc but rationing is the basis of our health system in America today.
I have used both systems and i can say, hand on heart, that if America had anything like the uhc in the UK, we would not be having this hate filled debate on healthcare. In fact we would be like other uhc Countries and would be looking at America and thinking what is going on there with their health system?
 
Old 08-08-2009, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by marc515 View Post
I believe our healthcare system needs improvement, however, the major stumbling block seems how to pay for it.

Well......Why don't we use the savings we would realize from 5-Day-A-Week mail delivery to fund healthcare?

Personally, I could live without Saturday delivery, and welcome 5 day mail delivery. While I understand, it may create some inconveniences, I honestly believe we'd readjust to 5 day mail delivery without any major overall impact.

The PO estimates a $2 Billion annual savings, and I'd like to see the $2B spent for something we really need like healthcare, instead of paying for something we could really live without.

But the most important thing I see is the environmental savings. Just think, how many thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of gallons of fuel per day that will be saved.

Bottom line is we could fix a few important problems by dropping mail delivery to 5 days a week.

To me it's a no brainer

marc
We could stimulate the economy and retrofit the post office vehicles to electric or buy an electric fleet for the post office.
I'm not opposed to 5 day week mail but I'm not sure if I don't want to receive mail on Saturdays.
The Post Office could also trim staff and shut down post offices that aren't very busy. I realize they have that in the works and though I hate for people to lose their jobs, it's the right thing to do in order to save money.
 
Old 08-08-2009, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Please take time to read at the link in this post.
We need reform but not what the Democrats are proposing which will limit doctor reimbursements
http://www.city-data.com/forum/10172645-post282.html
 
Old 08-08-2009, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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I lived in the UK for a while and used and payed towards their uhc. Believe me when i tell you that it makes our health system look archaic, cumblesome, expensive and inefficient.
How does their administrator / care giver ratio compare?
How much of the funds is absorbed by administrative overhead?

In contrast, before the rise of "health insurance" and inflation (devaluation of the dollar bill), the paper work and administrative overhead was minimal. I can remember when the typical dentist worked solo, had 2 chairs, and switched back and forth. Those were the days when it cost $10 per filling, $20 per extraction. I remember physicians who had just two exam rooms, and no other staff that needed funding. A visit cost $5 or $10, depending on the physician.

Frankly, the only reform that would make sense is to get the government entirely OUT of private health care, including restrictions on how / where patients acquire their needed medicines and apparatus.

But no government will ever relinquish power (and tax revenues) without a powerful incentive.
Remember, government makes nothing but more government.
Government gives nothing, except that which was taken from someone else.
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