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You're willing to incarcerate a person for destroying the rights of another, their child, yet you hold her reproductive rights higher than the rights of a child that could be born to her again.
I don't get it.
Why pass on her genes to another human?
You don't want to know my stand on birth control.
I believe in negative population growth, and if it were up to me, and I'm well aware that it is not, everyone would be sterilized from birth.
I don't think they are trying to defend that person's right to have children. I think what the user is saying is once you open "Pandora's Box", there is no telling how it's power will be used. Sure, I would get behind sterilization for criminals like this. I would get behind castration for rapists and pedophiles. That is, if there was a way to be sure the laws wouldn't be twisted to where the government could use this sort of punishment whenever it pleased. The danger with implementing procedures like these comes from not knowing how our leaders may pervert the original objectives. One minute, we're sterilizing just the rapists, child murderers, pedophiles, etc. The next, we are sterilizing a petty thief so he can't pass his criminal genes on to another human being. See what I'm saying. It's the danger of perversion that makes it hard to allow processes like this to take root.
Also, your BC methods are a bit overboard don't ya think? Everyone sterilized at birth? Are you trying to decrease population or just wipe us out completely? How about a compromise? Pregnancy licensing requiring proof of ability to raise and care for a child? Or the one baby per family rule? We can get down like China!
I think it is interesting in addition to the lack of compassion being demonstrated here by those who are quick to judge, no one has mentioned that the woman had two healthy children who were unharmed during her breakdown nor that she apparently had a previous mental health issue nor that her husband had just walked out leaving her to care for three small children. That is a lot of stress, especially for one who may be suffering from post-partum depression on top of everything else. Why is there no outrage at the father's behavior? Isn't he equally responsible for the welfare and safety of his children?
I find this thread disturbing for two reasons: one, the lack of compassion for the mentally ill, usually by the same people who p*** and moan about all their tax dollars that support mental health and then act so alarmed when people fall through the cracks because mental health budgets are dramatically being slashed. Second, the fundamental chauvanism that pervades our society and holds women to a higher standard of conduct. Why isn't any one suggesting that the guards who rape female prisoners be sterilized? Or men who walk out on their families? If it is okay to suggest sterilization for a woman whose children end up needing public assistence, then surely dead-beat dads are equally good candidates for forced sterilization. It is a far easier procedure and would cost the taxpayers far less. Surely he was aware of her condition: he had eyes, didn't he? Couldn't he see that something was wrong? Why isn't he responsible for abandoning those children and not insisting she and they have constant supervision? Didn't he contribute to the neglect that allowed this tragedy to happen?
I am all for this woman being held accountable for her actions, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander, eh? The knee-jerk solutions I am hearing here are not viable. And, BTW, she did try to commit suicide. If you are bent on placing blame, there's plenty to go around; so don't forget Dad for contributing to the situation. The woman needs to recieve mental health care, in a prison for the criminally insane, if that sets your little hearts at peace, and if at the end of her treatment, she is deemed to still be a threat, she can be transferred to a women's prison to serve out the rest of her sentence. Just make sure Dad doesn't walk off with a get out of jail free card.
I don't think you truly read what this woman did to that baby, did you? Yeah, everyone has stress. Some of us even have seemingly insurmountable levels of stress. Yet, for whatever reason, we're able to hold ourselves back from butchering & eating our children or pets. I know, it takes a LOT of willpower, believe me! Sure, sterilize the guards, I'm all for that. Why should we blame the father? He's not the one who decapitated & ate his babies brains. He simply moved out. Happens every day to thousands of families yet their kids bodies are still in tact. Go figure. I have plenty of compassion for people who are mentally ill. I simply don't have compassion for someone who sees thru the entire act of decapitating, eating brains, tearing off face & chewing off toes. That takes a lot of work, that's not a 20 second act of violence.
Also, your BC methods are a bit overboard don't ya think? Everyone sterilized at birth? Are you trying to decrease population or just wipe us out completely? How about a compromise? Pregnancy licensing requiring proof of ability to raise and care for a child? Or the one baby per family rule? We can get down like China!
I know I'm way over the top, but seriously, I think the best thing for the earth is the end of human beings.
I would never consider implementing my ideas, but I deeply feel them and was sterilized in my early 20s (as was my then husband).
I could settle for vasectomies for all males, reversible with expensive surgical means after the age of 25.
I wouldn't force my beliefs on others, but they're there.
She was previously admitted to psychiatric wards--presumably, where she was treated--and subsequently released. After her last release, she mutilated and ate one of her children. Given her history and the apparent fallibility of the psychiatric system, short of any scientific breakthroughs and practices in the treatment of the mentally ill, her risk to others is too great for her release to ever be considered. Nonetheless, I see no reason for her illness not to be treated in some way. Further, I don't see what we stand to gain from punishing her (if punishing the mentally ill can even be considered ethical). Therefore, I think she should be placed in a facility for the criminally insane and never released.
I don't understand why so many of you prefer she be punished. What exactly is the point of it? What do you stand to gain?
What really gets me about this story is the fact that she had two swords in the house. What's that all about?
Police: Woman accused of killing newborn ate brain
"... Sanchez apparently ate the child's brain and some other body parts. She also tore his face off, chewed off three of his toes and decapitated the infant.."
Aunt: Mom accused in baby death had psych problems - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090727/ap_on_re_us/us_baby_decapitated - broken link)
I posted a post awhile ago where a man was high on meth and tore out one of his son's eye's and ate it and tried to tear the other one out and eat that one.
Should people who do this be precluded from having children in the future?
I beleive in giving people second chances but in cases like this, a second chance could end with the same result for an innocent child.
Not sure why you started this thread.
This truly tragic event is neither political nor controversial.
Sterilizing the mentally ill is not a new idea and has been done off and on throughout time to prevent passing on undesirable genes, to simplify the care of the mentally ill, and to prevent things such as this. It is now considered a "crime against humanity" however and even discussing it is discouraged.
And if it is discussed someone will mention "Hitler" soon enough.
I don't think you truly read what this woman did to that baby, did you? Yeah, everyone has stress. Some of us even have seemingly insurmountable levels of stress. Yet, for whatever reason, we're able to hold ourselves back from butchering & eating our children or pets. I know, it takes a LOT of willpower, believe me! Sure, sterilize the guards, I'm all for that. Why should we blame the father? He's not the one who decapitated & ate his babies brains. He simply moved out. Happens every day to thousands of families yet their kids bodies are still in tact. Go figure. I have plenty of compassion for people who are mentally ill. I simply don't have compassion for someone who sees thru the entire act of decapitating, eating brains, tearing off face & chewing off toes. That takes a lot of work, that's not a 20 second act of violence.
Yes, I did read read fully the accounts of tragedy and I stand by my post. So you are telling me that you think it is perfectly acceptable for the dad to move out, leaving his wife and his children in harm's way? Why does he get a free walk when life got too tough. A newborn, in and of itself, is stressful enough, with being totally dependent on others for its care, not to mention the change it creates in the family dynamics. You know he didn't just have sex with her one night and the baby popped out the next day. He had the same nine months to prepare, and he wasn't the one going through labor! And if she had prior mental health issues, he wasn't blind, he had to have known that she might be overwhelmed by the prospect of suddenly being a single parent three times over. Until I hear some evidence that he attempted to get her some help or to remove the children or offer her some support in some fashion, as far as I am concerned, he may not have fired the gun, but the fact that he gave her the gun, so to speak, makes him just as culpable.
That's completely absurd. The mother ATE THE BABY.
I don't even know where to start with your post.
QUOTE=MICoastieMom;9979504]Yes, I did read read fully the accounts of tragedy and I stand by my post. So you are telling me that you think it is perfectly acceptable for the dad to move out, leaving his wife and his children in harm's way? Why does he get a free walk when life got too tough. A newborn, in and of itself, is stressful enough, with being totally dependent on others for its care, not to mention the change it creates in the family dynamics. You know he didn't just have sex with her one night and the baby popped out the next day. He had the same nine months to prepare, and he wasn't the one going through labor! And if she had prior mental health issues, he wasn't blind, he had to have known that she might be overwhelmed by the prospect of suddenly being a single parent three times over. Until I hear some evidence that he attempted to get her some help or to remove the children or offer her some support in some fashion, as far as I am concerned, he may not have fired the gun, but the fact that he gave her the gun, so to speak, makes him just as culpable.[/quote]
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