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Old 02-18-2010, 10:26 PM
 
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Why was "elitist" even listed in the title?

I personally don't like Bill Maher, but he's smart, well read and uses critical thinking.

If that makes him elitist, what does that make the rest of you who are so fearful of smart, clear thinking people?
Good point.
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Old 02-18-2010, 10:42 PM
 
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Its has nothing to do with being intelligent. When you think your intelligence makes your opinion superior, that makes you an arrogant elitist.

Maher is the elitist of the progressive movement.
Well wouldn't the ideas and opinions of an intelligent person naturally be superior to those of the average or below average? It sure would seem counter-intuitive to reverse that sentiment. Why does this idea irk you so? Are you an ambassador for the willfully ignorant masses that Maher was addressing?
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Old 02-18-2010, 10:48 PM
 
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Geez, if you can't find the off button you're probably proving his point
I don't watch him, I just happen to see it on the internet when he makes an A** of his self. I wouldn't waste my time on his opinion and his idea that he's God's gift to Super Models!!
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Old 02-18-2010, 10:56 PM
 
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Maher is not only ugly on the outside. He is ugly enough to assume that he is intellectually superior to the majority. He is the definition of a "little man".
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Old 02-18-2010, 11:19 PM
 
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To ber fair, out of the lot O'Reilly was able to finish college and does hold graduate degrees.

The rest have " has NO educational background in law, and NO educational background in politics!"
Based on this logic, most of us here at the forum should not put any stock into what others have to say about politics because I doubt most of the people posting about these issues have educational backgrounds in politics.

But quite a number of us here seem to be intent on airing our political views and also getting quite bent out of shape when people disagree. Maher is a well established comedian and commentator who draws quite a crowd. For the folks who like and tend to agree with him, it tends to add to the comedy when people argue about his validity to express his views to people who pay to listen to him. And laugh.
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Old 02-18-2010, 11:30 PM
 
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oh my...

no, Idiocracy is not becoming reality. Please no. Not on our watch.
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Old 02-19-2010, 01:10 AM
 
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Your objections are largely true, but they exhaust all the arguments that can be made against Maher. In every other respect, he's the best social critic we've produced lately.
HAHAHA that's funny ... besides being a scumbag cretin, socialist, anti-American traitor ... he's really not a bad guy. Dats funny

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Give me half an hour for a one-on-one debate with Maher and I suspect I could change his ideas about Israel.
God is gonna have trouble fixing that clown .. you haven't got a chance.

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Socialized medicine is a necessary component of socialism, and it is also a potential component of a mixed economy--which Maher is correct that all industrial Western nations have. Yes, I wish he didn't fall into the trap of calling the U.S. a democracy. But you appear to be going to a different extreme, in saying that constitutional republicanism is incompatible with any aspect of socialism. Now, you and I may prefer laissez-faire capitalism, but the fact is that the Constitution does not require it.
The constitution isn't so much about what it requires, its more about what it prohibits ... as in prohibiting the federal government from meddling in things they have no business or authority to meddle in. Remember, the powers not specifically granted to the federal government are reserved to the state and to the people. Capiche?


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If we can have public police, public roads, a public defense establishment, public education, and so on, there is no theoretical reason why public health care is the tipping point into "socialism."
I have a headache, a backache, a sprained ankle, so what's wrong with one more ailment? Is that it? Forgive me, but I ain't a socialist. Socialism is nothing more than communism looking for the gullible to convince otherwise.

What has government been successful at?

Border protection ? I doone theenk so

Education ? Disaster

Healthcare ? Medicaid-broke Medicare-broke And you want them to have more?

Social Security ? Broke

Monetary Policy - your honor, I rest my case.
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Old 02-19-2010, 04:17 AM
 
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Maher is a first class hack, and an anti-American Israeli firster.

He does have a point about Americans not being all that smart ... unfortunately, hacks like him are part of that problem.

Socialized medicine isn't socialism? And besides, socialism isn't a bad thing? And all western democracies .....?

Hey Mr. Hack, WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY, we are a "Constitutional Republic". Maher should educate himself before questioning the public's intelligence.
Got anything aside from a personal attack on the guy?
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Old 02-19-2010, 06:04 AM
 
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Based on this logic, most of us here at the forum should not put any stock into what others have to say about politics because I doubt most of the people posting about these issues have educational backgrounds in politics.

But quite a number of us here seem to be intent on airing our political views and also getting quite bent out of shape when people disagree. Maher is a well established comedian and commentator who draws quite a crowd. For the folks who like and tend to agree with him, it tends to add to the comedy when people argue about his validity to express his views to people who pay to listen to him. And laugh.

I agree that having a formal education in politics isn't a requirement to have an informed opinion. My post was a replay to a poster that said we should not listen to Maher because he" has NO educational background in law, and NO educational background in politics!" besides O'Reilly.

But the same poster has in other threads praise the merits of opinions by Palin, Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly etc. Most of whom have "NO educational background in law, and NO educational background in politics!"

The hypocrisy was to blatant not to point out.
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Old 02-19-2010, 06:38 AM
 
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Well wouldn't the ideas and opinions of an intelligent person naturally be superior to those of the average or below average? It sure would seem counter-intuitive to reverse that sentiment. Why does this idea irk you so? Are you an ambassador for the willfully ignorant masses that Maher was addressing?
Bill Maher tends to use a sledgehammer to make his points and his style is one of blunt in your face confrontation, on that note he does it well.

As I pointed out, I think he used the wrong word and I suggested gullible, although even that suggests that people are easily taken, hence not all that bright. Perhaps ignorant would have been more precise.


Outside of the opinions of "intelligent" people, I would assert that it is a good idea to seek out the opinions of professional people. If we wish to get our car repaired by the most qualified people, we seek out those who have spent much of their time in the study of their profession. It may be making shoes, fixing cars, bakers, accountants, lawyers, etc...

When I watched that video, I laughed for about 20 seconds before a deep and profound sadness fell upon me. These people may be the best bakers, accountants, shoe maker, etc... but there is a general lack of basic knowledge displayed on things like geography, current events, politics.

I have often asked myself (and still do nearly daily) why we seem to have such disdain for intellect in general in this country. In my opinion, what is even worse than this is a lack of curiosity that drives people to desire to know things. We start out life as children who incessantly bug our parents with, 'whats this, whats that, why is the sky blue and how does the sun move across the sky, etc...' Yet when we reach adulthood, it is almost as though our curiosity just dies and the famous parental line of "Just because" becomes the premise in which we move through the rest of our lives. After all, one doesn't have to be intelligent to be curious. (I'm sure there is a faith or belief component to this that I don't even want to delve into with this thread)
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