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Old 07-28-2009, 09:41 PM
 
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Karen Brown, program manager for La Mesita, said the shelter is seeing an increase in educated residents who are unable to find employment after being laid off due to the economy, including renters who got evicted despite having paid their rent on time because the landlord hadn’t paid the mortgage.
“We’re full,” Brown said. “When we open the phone lines, we’re constantly taking calls.”
She says the increase has been noteworthy since September 2008, “but a whole lot more since the beginning of this year.”
The families come from all over the Valley, including Mesa, Chandler and Gilbert.
“These are people who didn’t ever expect to be here, or were just caught unaware,” Brown said.

Valley families hit hard by homelessness
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Old 07-28-2009, 09:46 PM
 
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Very sad. What's even sadder is that people who make over a million dollars a year complain & yell socialism when asked to pay a little more so people less fortunate can get health care or feed their families. I don't call that socialism, I call it humanitarianism.

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Old 07-28-2009, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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I can't wait for Hoovervilles to start showing up again.
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Old 07-28-2009, 10:19 PM
 
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Very sad. What's even sadder is that people who make over a million dollars a year complain & yell socialism when asked to pay a little more so people less fortunate can get health care or feed their families. I don't call that socialism, I call it humanitarianism.
I understand BUT....how much "more" is ever going to be enough? People who make a lot of money already pay a lot of taxes. They also spend a lot of money at stores and such, you know, where other people work.

When you take money from the rich (however you want to define "rich") for other people then the rich are not at rich anymore, but the poor are still poor. What then?
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Old 07-29-2009, 12:58 AM
 
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We're talking a few points here and there on capital gains tax. The same that was under Reagan. Was it "socialism" then?
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Old 07-29-2009, 01:07 AM
 
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I understand BUT....how much "more" is ever going to be enough? People who make a lot of money already pay a lot of taxes. They also spend a lot of money at stores and such, you know, where other people work.

When you take money from the rich (however you want to define "rich") for other people then the rich are not at rich anymore, but the poor are still poor. What then?
3% of $1M is $30,000. That's what many people spend on a cruise or a day shopping. Remember when Cindy McCain spent $313,000 for one ensemble at the Republican National Convention? Does it really bother you that much that the top 1% might be asked to pitch in a little more to improve our economy and our way of life? A 2009 Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder convertible costs $218,000. Do you think the person who is thinking of buying one will suffer because he might have to settle for the $198,000 4 door coupe?

Anyway, that's not what the OP is about, but I mentioned health care and helping others because I always hear that the people who end up in shelters or on the street are uneducated or lazy.

" .... the shelter is seeing an increase in educated residents who are unable to find employment after being laid off due to the economy, including renters who got evicted despite having paid their rent on time because the landlord hadn’t paid the mortgage. "
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Old 07-29-2009, 09:14 AM
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A lot of those people in the shelter are the same people who, two years ago, would have been on here calling anyone who needed help lazy bums. A lot of those people on here now voicing the thought that health care is an unreasonable expectation unless you are rich may soon find themselves without their insurance, sick, and wondering what went wrong. In a country where so many have replaced their conscience and their heart with a bank vault I think the lessons of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" are going to be learned the hard way.
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Old 07-29-2009, 01:09 PM
 
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3% of $1M is $30,000. That's what many people spend on a cruise or a day shopping. Remember when Cindy McCain spent $313,000 for one ensemble at the Republican National Convention? Does it really bother you that much that the top 1% might be asked to pitch in a little more to improve our economy and our way of life? A 2009 Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder convertible costs $218,000. Do you think the person who is thinking of buying one will suffer because he might have to settle for the $198,000 4 door coupe?

Anyway, that's not what the OP is about, but I mentioned health care and helping others because I always hear that the people who end up in shelters or on the street are uneducated or lazy.

" .... the shelter is seeing an increase in educated residents who are unable to find employment after being laid off due to the economy, including renters who got evicted despite having paid their rent on time because the landlord hadn’t paid the mortgage. "
Well besides the cute little examples like this that people like to give when talking about "the rich" why not look at the taxes already paid by the wealthy first? It's not about how much a "rich" person can afford or afford to do without, it's about where the line is drawn. How many times can you tap the keg before it's empty? How can the economy survive if it DEPENDS on the wealthy to support everyone else? Over time = Fewer rich folk, more poor folk. You do the math.

And fyi, if someone has the money they deserve any car they want, no matter how many people are in homeless shelters. I'm not a fan of the idea of "nobody get extras until everybody has basics". While we have agreed, as a whole, to a tax base to support society we are not obligated to pay for everyone that pops out of someone elses womb.
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Old 07-29-2009, 05:57 PM
 
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And fyi, if someone has the money they deserve any car they want, no matter how many people are in homeless shelters. I'm not a fan of the idea of "nobody get extras until everybody has basics". While we have agreed, as a whole, to a tax base to support society we are not obligated to pay for everyone that pops out of someone elses womb.
Exactly.

Where's the morality in penalizing someone who saved more, invested more wisely or lived more frugally?
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Old 07-29-2009, 06:29 PM
 
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3% of $1M is $30,000. That's what many people spend on a cruise or a day shopping. Remember when Cindy McCain spent $313,000 for one ensemble at the Republican National Convention? Does it really bother you that much that the top 1% might be asked to pitch in a little more to improve our economy and our way of life? A 2009 Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder convertible costs $218,000. Do you think the person who is thinking of buying one will suffer because he might have to settle for the $198,000 4 door coupe?

Anyway, that's not what the OP is about, but I mentioned health care and helping others because I always hear that the people who end up in shelters or on the street are uneducated or lazy.

" .... the shelter is seeing an increase in educated residents who are unable to find employment after being laid off due to the economy, including renters who got evicted despite having paid their rent on time because the landlord hadn’t paid the mortgage. "
I agree - America is in trouble, and we need the money to come from somewhere - it won't be from the poor, and the middle-class is bled dry, so that leaves the wealthy class. The only thing I ask is that the money be spent wisely to rebuild the jobs-infrastructure in this country, so that we can stop what looks like for sure economic collapse.
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